If... the plane wouldn't have crashed.
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If this happened during day-time, I bet the pilot would not have made this mistake.
If it wasn't raining that heavily, the visibility might have been higher, and chances of seeing that damn construction stuff would have been higher.
If there wasn't strong wind, the lift-off of the plane might have been higher, and the wind might not have pressed the plane down. The effect of the collision would have been softened.
If the airport lights were controlled by two switches, the white light in the 05R could have been switched off, leaving only the green light. The chances for human error would have been lower.
If the airport has ground radar, the control tower would have detected that the plane has taxied onto the wrong runway. Do you think this tragedy would have been avoided?
If those construction vehicles were furthur down on the runway, chances of hitting them and causing devastating destruction might not have been that high.
If the Taiwanese authorities have the sense to put some form of barrier in front of that cursed runway (they dun need the head of the runway for taxi-ing, do they?), even if the plane crashed into the barrier, there wouldn't have been any explosion even, and more so, a tragedy.
And... If the pilot would have been more careful in such a bad weather condition, this will definitely not have happened!
Blame who? If you're fated to die, it doens't matter if it's a plane crash or if you fall down the stairs. The time will come. -
If Eve had never been tempted by the snake in the garden...
Yes, it all boils down to fate. This is the way of the world, never knowing what will happen next. In a sense, this tragedy taught us to treasure life more, because it can be extinguish as easily as a flame on a candle.
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The Far East Pilgrim -
If......i noe the lucky number for 4D tis sat,........the plane wouldn't have crashed....
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Life's a "Orh Gui"...... -
the game of if is a never ending one.
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The Far East Pilgrim -
The pilot is ALWAYS responsible for his plane. When the control tower gives a pilot instructions, it is his job to make sure he follows those instructions precisely.
Pilots are trained to avoid "mix-ups". Why do you think pilots are usually portrayed as "elite" and "cream of the crop"? Their job comes with immense responsibilities, and that is why they are usually held in such high regard.
At the heart of the matter is this... the pilot and his plane were not where they should have been, despite instructions given by Control. All other issues are peripheral.
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Cya,
Praetor -
Arbiter, the pilot is ALWAYS responsible for his plane. I agree on that part. But the controller is also ALWAYS responsible in ensuring the pilots follow their instructions. This is a two way thingie. Enuff said.
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Style is knowing who you are, what you want to say, and not giving a damn. - Gore Vidal -
what the fuck, chee bye kia, IF there are so many IFsOriginally posted by Shervon99:If this happened during day-time, I bet the pilot would not have made this mistake.
If it wasn't raining that heavily, the visibility might have been higher, and chances of seeing that damn construction stuff would have been higher.
If there wasn't strong wind, the lift-off of the plane might have been higher, and the wind might not have pressed the plane down. The effect of the collision would have been softened.
If the airport lights were controlled by two switches, the white light in the 05R could have been switched off, leaving only the green light. The chances for human error would have been lower.
If the airport has ground radar, the control tower would have detected that the plane has taxied onto the wrong runway. Do you think this tragedy would have been avoided?
If those construction vehicles were furthur down on the runway, chances of hitting them and causing devastating destruction might not have been that high.
If the Taiwanese authorities have the sense to put some form of barrier in front of that cursed runway (they dun need the head of the runway for taxi-ing, do they?), even if the plane crashed into the barrier, there wouldn't have been any explosion even, and more so, a tragedy.
And... If the pilot would have been more careful in such a bad weather condition, this will definitely not have happened!
Blame who? If you're fated to die, it doens't matter if it's a plane crash or if you fall down the stairs. The time will come.
you left out: What IF you were not born you dumb asshole. up yours -
Revelations, it is not the job of the ATC to babysit every single plane in the airspace, from approach to landing to taxiing, etc.
A busy airport may have more than 200 aircraft in it's control space at any one time. Do you think they can even fit enough personnel into that tower to closely monitor each and every single plane? Don't forget, they don't just take care of planes on the runway, they also have to watch out for planes in holding patterns, etc.
A crude analogy would be this. The ATCs function as traffic lights, to ensure that planes do not collide with one another. They clear planes for take-off and landing with respect to other planes.
If, as a driver, you saw the light turn green, giving you right-of-way, but a ball suddenly bounces out in front of your car, would you still step on the gas? -
The weather was bad, the runway was lighted up, lights were different but hey weather was bad, the runway wasn't cleared, there were no barricades, there were signs, but well visibility was rather poor too.
As drivers, ppl lose their way too. If I were at Toa Payoh Ave 1, but I thought I was on Ave 2, and I called you and tell you I was on Ave 1, can you really blame me for the wrong route if you did not correct me?
Yeah, there was a human error, but shouldnt the control tower take some responsibility too? I find it too unreasonable of them to point all 5 fingers at the pilot. -
How come there wasn't a radar installed to aid in tracking so many planes?hehe
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If I knew it would be the last time that I'd see you on my plate,
I would eat you up and pray the Lord, i put on some weight
If I knew it would be the last time that I see you drop onto the floor,
I would call the waiter over and ask for 1 more.
If I knew it would be the last meal before i go to sleep,
I would sleep soundly knowing you are in my stomach deep.
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Originally posted by Arbiter:Revelations, it is not the job of the ATC to babysit every single plane in the airspace, from approach to landing to taxiing, etc.
A busy airport may have more than 200 aircraft in it's control space at any one time. Do you think they can even fit enough personnel into that tower to closely monitor each and every single plane? Don't forget, they don't just take care of planes on the runway, they also have to watch out for planes in holding patterns, etc.
A crude analogy would be this. The ATCs function as traffic lights, to ensure that planes do not collide with one another. They clear planes for take-off and landing with respect to other planes.
If, as a driver, you saw the light turn green, giving you right-of-way, but a ball suddenly bounces out in front of your car, would you still step on the gas? -
Yes, ATC's job is not to 'babysit' every plane, but it is the job of the ATC to exercise due care to make sure every plane is on the right runway, at the right time.Originally posted by Arbiter:Revelations, it is not the job of the ATC to babysit every single plane in the airspace, from approach to landing to taxiing, etc.
What I am most disgusted with is the way the Taiwanese chief investigator, Rong Kai, absolves his side of all responsibility!
Right from the start he keeps on harping on pilot error while skimping over the ATC's possible miscarriage of duty. That is until further evidence put forward by SIA forces him to admit the 'possiblity' of ATC errors. Now, even before any judgement has been passed by a Law Court, this Rong Kai is already passing his! Disgusting person!!!!!!!!
We should get a neutral international investigation party, and not rely on the superbly biased investigation of our dear 'slang-like-an-American' Rong Kai!! -
Well, I'm sure it's not Rong Kai who tries to shrugg off his responsibilites. Rong Kai is the funny old man who refuses to get trapped by the media's question on the cause of the crash. That old man position is the head of the investigation team.Originally posted by BluErf:Yes, ATC's job is not to 'babysit' every plane, but it is the job of the ATC to exercise due care to make sure every plane is on the right runway, at the right time.
What I am most disgusted with is the way the Taiwanese chief investigator, Rong Kai, absolves his side of all responsibility!
Right from the start he keeps on harping on pilot error while skimping over the ATC's possible miscarriage of duty. That is until further evidence put forward by SIA forces him to admit the 'possiblity' of ATC errors. Now, even before any judgement has been passed by a Law Court, this Rong Kai is already passing his! Disgusting person!!!!!!!!
We should get a neutral international investigation party, and not rely on the superbly biased investigation of our dear 'slang-like-an-American' Rong Kai!!
The person shrugging off the responsibility is the Chief of the Taiwan Civil Aviation Authorities(CAA). THat's the idiot who has 3 characters in his name. HOpefully his face will be in the mud when evidence shows that his airport is to be blamed. -
what do you expect..the captain a malaysian