City Harvest Church under investigation
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no one can server two masters, one is Money, the other is God. most people has chosen money , Yes, even pastors. pastors are human too, they are also tempted just the same as non pastors or minister. i mean even Jesus himself was tempted, but the difference is , Jesus is God , pastors are Human.
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you know what is banana. tellow skin outside, but peel off the yellow skin still inside the fruit meat is yellow.
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sorry dunno ur definition of banana here, paiseh i am a bit slow. sorry
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don;t understand don;t reply. banana wil always be banana.
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sure thing, as u wish. :)
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Originally posted by hasene:
your explanation is not accepted. please go buck up your bible knowledge don't malu yourselfGreed itself is a sin. Don't misquote the bible by saying bible does not say totally be ungreedy when it comes to money. Greed is greed, no excuse. A sin is a sin to God, no less sin .
I am a new christian one year only. I am not pro in bible knowledge.
U claim to be knowledgable in bible?
My pastor told me can love money or have greed for money. It's normal. Just dont over excessive. (too much) U claimed to be more proficient than a pastor?
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there this verse Mark 12 : 17 : Then Jesus said to them, "Give to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's."
but i think this kong hee guy is giving to Caesar what is Caesar, Give to God what is God and the balance give to myself .
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It would interesting to know who owns those companies that own/develop properties, for example the up-coming huge project at Buona Vista. The church or some individuals, or shell companies owned by some individuals, or none of these?It's a good church! Whatever happens, condemn only the sin but not the sinner. The church has done nothing wrong. If at all, it's the leadership that should account for any misgiving. Pray that the issues are resolved as soon as possible. God bless.HOW impartial is the members of the Board in the church when they are beholdened to the Senior Pastor at all times? They are members of the church! Why not have people from OUTSIDE THE CHURCH to be member of the BOARD in Church so that they are independent auditors of the church functions !Yes, if you go to New Creation Church, they reserve seats on the front 3rd and 4th rows on Sundays for big tithers. They pay a lot so they get better seats and can come late for service but others, timing countdown is given to those who do not come in time and their seats are taken away. That is New Creation Church. Is this the same with other churches?not to be a brag. but if you are born roman catholic like me, then sent to a catholic school since primary to college... got my degree in a catholic university... all you will get.. is doubt. The more you dig, the more you will doubt. It is not the "word of god" but what man made to be "the" word of god. God made man? or Man made God?Surely I believe that God will still love Kong Hee and members and will bless him abundantly with wisdom and favour. Similarly God will bless New Creation and the famous deacon who issues order to allow rich tithers to sit at special seats..as God loves all sinners but hate the sins.Apart from showing the full audited accounts, churches/charities/religious organisations should also name the members of the management board and indicate their terms of office, and whether the board members are related, and whether they receive fees.
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banana yellow skin outside and yellow meat inside will always be banana lah.
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Originally posted by troublemaker2005:
banana yellow skin outside and yellow meat inside will always be banana lah.
use the KISS method lar.
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Commercial activities may expose charities to governance risks
SINGAPORE : The commercial activities of City Harvest have generated interest recently. And experts said religious charities that go into business expose themselves to governance risks, including the lack of proper checks and balances.
For mega churches like City Harvest, a huge membership base means more funds - but also higher expenses. And they are not the only ones which have gone into business to raise revenue.
For example, at Mount Sophia, there are several plots of land belonging to Singapore's Presbyterian and Methodist churches. In 2002, the Methodist Church reportedly leased out land to a commercial developer for S$50 million.
Experts said that in the past, to be good stewards of their assets, some religious organisations may choose to invest their excess resources in fixed-deposit accounts.
But over time, due to low returns, these are not seen to be making the best out of their assets. But once these organisations move into bigger investments and commercial ventures, that is when more complicated governance issues may arise.
One pitfall is the lack of clear protocols for charities, as the law does not currently provide for this. Instead, the law only delineates what is taxable or not.
Charities in Singapore have to abide by a code of governance, but any company that is formed as an offshoot has to follow the Companies Act.
Associate Professor Ho Yew Kee, Vice-Dean, NUS Business School, National University of Singapore, said: "Unfortunately, charities and religious charities sometimes are not endowed with the procedures, the mechanisms, the safeguards, because a lot of religious charities, the basic working relationship is that of trust, that of believing in a common faith."
He added: "Within a religious authority, you may have a very senior person that is a spiritual authority or spiritual figure, where the rest of the board basically give their consent to whatever he or she says. And this immediately can create check and balance problems."
Prof Ho said there are pragmatic reasons for setting up a separate legal entity to handle the business.
He said: "Let's assume if I conduct a catering business within the church - if there's a mass poisoning, I can be sued and I can bankrupt the whole church.
"If I set up a company to do catering, if there is a financial disaster, only the company will go bankrupt. I ring-fence, I at least protect the church from the financial liabilities."
17 individuals and companies connected to City Harvest Church are being investigated over possible misuse of funds.
The church, in its latest notice to members posted on its website, said that its corporate office will be closed "in line with our plan to give the management and staff rest after the hectic Asia Conference week".
The 5-day conference at the Singapore Expo ended over the weekend. The church added that it "has cooperated and will continue to cooperate fully with the authorities". Meanwhile, church activities will go on.
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Originally posted by -StarDust-:
I am a new christian one year only. I am not pro in bible knowledge.
U claim to be knowledgable in bible?
My pastor told me can love money or have greed for money. It's normal. Just dont over excessive. (too much) U claimed to be more proficient than a pastor?
ha ha that is why they are where they are....under investigation.....what is the different that a person greedy for 5 bucks vs 100 bucks. It is still Greed. -
u are quoting from a news report i watched last nite as well, at 1st to a certain degree i would agree to church operating from a private/commercial point of view to be a good steward of $$$$ but after i have digested it, i think it is not about a church getting sued and make a bankrupt, if all churches are at least most churches practices the way of the Lord Jesus Christ , how would one church get into the situation of being sued.
To Kong Hee and the rest of the Senior Pastor or deacon/Senior Pastor from New Creation : Dun just peached the teachings, ways and truth of Jesus Christ, you must do the walk and walk , talk the talk, and preach and live to wat u preached for. then the world (non-christian) would have more faith that christianity and it is indeed a true and right religion for them wanting to believe.
yes indeed, we need to pray for the lost one, even pastors, senior pastors, deacon, for these are sinners as well just like any one of us. why dun condemn them , for they make mistakes too. so pray for them to repent and walk the ways of the Lord Jesus.
John 3 : 16 - For God so loved the world that He gave his Only Begotten Son, that who ever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life in Christ Jesus.\
Roman : 3 : 23 - for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
yes like i said all are sinners, when one confessed that Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior, doesnt make me non-sinners. we are still sinners, we dun become SINLESS, we are suppose to SIN - LESS that is all.
so people who are reading this thread, whether christian or non-christian, forgive Kong Hee or other Senior Pastor, or deacon, pray for them if u are a christian, and if you are non-christian, dun lose faith in christianity. go to a church nearby your place and start to find the truth about this person called Jesus Christ.
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Originally posted by Rooney9:It would interesting to know who owns those companies that own/develop properties, for example the up-coming huge project at Buona Vista. The church or some individuals, or shell companies owned by some individuals, or none of these?It's a good church! Whatever happens, condemn only the sin but not the sinner. The church has done nothing wrong. If at all, it's the leadership that should account for any misgiving. Pray that the issues are resolved as soon as possible. God bless.HOW impartial is the members of the Board in the church when they are beholdened to the Senior Pastor at all times? They are members of the church! Why not have people from OUTSIDE THE CHURCH to be member of the BOARD in Church so that they are independent auditors of the church functions !Yes, if you go to New Creation Church, they reserve seats on the front 3rd and 4th rows on Sundays for big tithers. They pay a lot so they get better seats and can come late for service but others, timing countdown is given to those who do not come in time and their seats are taken away. That is New Creation Church. Is this the same with other churches?not to be a brag. but if you are born roman catholic like me, then sent to a catholic school since primary to college... got my degree in a catholic university... all you will get.. is doubt. The more you dig, the more you will doubt. It is not the "word of god" but what man made to be "the" word of god. God made man? or Man made God?Surely I believe that God will still love Kong Hee and members and will bless him abundantly with wisdom and favour. Similarly God will bless New Creation and the famous deacon who issues order to allow rich tithers to sit at special seats..as God loves all sinners but hate the sins.Apart from showing the full audited accounts, churches/charities/religious organisations should also name the members of the management board and indicate their terms of office, and whether the board members are related, and whether they receive fees.
reserve seats to big tithers ? why differentiate between the rich and poor ? it's a practice tainted by the ways of the world. if the church has the true spirit, then it will not differentiate. everyone is equal. did Jesus differentiate whose feet to wash based on their contributions ?
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Originally posted by koet:
reserve seats to big tithers ? why differentiate between the rich and poor ? it's a practice tainted by the ways of the world. if the church has the true spirit, then it will not differentiate. everyone is equal. did Jesus differentiate whose feet to wash based on their contributions ?
what u said make sense. Everyone is equal in the eyes of God. -
Religious bodies 'have duty'
RELIGIOUS organisations are no different from any other non-profit group in that they answer to their stakeholders.
They have a duty to make their governance blameless and be transparent about what they do, said leaders in the community and charity sector.
MP Seah Kian Peng, chair of the Community Development, Youth and Sports Government Parliamentary Committee (GPC), said religious organisations were, first and foremost, accountable to their members.
'Good governance principles must be in place to ensure all the stakeholders' interests are taken care of,' he said.
At the sidelines of an event on Tuesday, MP Denise Phua, who is on the same GPC, noted that the charity sector had an even higher duty than a commercial concern. She said: 'All of us who are serving in the non-profit charity sector are working in a fishbowl. We are even more accountable to the public.'
Extensive guidelines for the sector have been written in recent years and social service veteran Gerard Ee said there is no need for more rules.
-- ST
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Originally posted by Rooney9:It would interesting to know who owns those companies that own/develop properties, for example the up-coming huge project at Buona Vista. The church or some individuals, or shell companies owned by some individuals, or none of these?It's a good church! Whatever happens, condemn only the sin but not the sinner. The church has done nothing wrong. If at all, it's the leadership that should account for any misgiving. Pray that the issues are resolved as soon as possible. God bless.HOW impartial is the members of the Board in the church when they are beholdened to the Senior Pastor at all times? They are members of the church! Why not have people from OUTSIDE THE CHURCH to be member of the BOARD in Church so that they are independent auditors of the church functions !Yes, if you go to New Creation Church, they reserve seats on the front 3rd and 4th rows on Sundays for big tithers. They pay a lot so they get better seats and can come late for service but others, timing countdown is given to those who do not come in time and their seats are taken away. That is New Creation Church. Is this the same with other churches?not to be a brag. but if you are born roman catholic like me, then sent to a catholic school since primary to college... got my degree in a catholic university... all you will get.. is doubt. The more you dig, the more you will doubt. It is not the "word of god" but what man made to be "the" word of god. God made man? or Man made God?Surely I believe that God will still love Kong Hee and members and will bless him abundantly with wisdom and favour. Similarly God will bless New Creation and the famous deacon who issues order to allow rich tithers to sit at special seats..as God loves all sinners but hate the sins.Apart from showing the full audited accounts, churches/charities/religious organisations should also name the members of the management board and indicate their terms of office, and whether the board members are related, and whether they receive fees.
so NCC reserves good seats for big timers ! and the small-timers still think the people running the church are ''good honest'' people ???!!!
anyway, i finally saw Kong Hee for the1st time in the papers and i know why he's successfully running a scam ! he looks like a film actor and throw in some ''proper packaging'' , the gullible christians can be easily conned !
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((( christians are gullible since they actually devote their faith and belief to a storybook called the ''bible'' and they were simply told by pastors to not question the many ''questionable'' stories in the fairytales and to blindly believe them ! )))
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the Kong Hee and Sun Ho should be in deep shit since the PAP wouldn't want to be appearing like the ''bad guys'' and anger so many christians in an election year, eh ?
in fact, after these 2 scamsters are put away, the PAP would appear to be the heroes in the whole thing !
too bad Durai, Ming Yi and Kong Hee won't meet in prison and be cellmates !
Durai : '' Kong Hee, you also come in already huh ? ''
Ming Yi : '' I knew it ! I just knew it ! i knew you were a scamster all along ! ''
Kong Hee : '' Aiyah, all 3 of us..........same..same.....lah ! ''
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aitah in short they only tok only, then use the book to quote, twist and turn. everymonth suck your money from your salary, use money to build stuff to worship religion. so in short they practise materialism. imagine the money can be sued to help amny other christian families that are poor , instead of investing in those half Fcul gathering concents and assembly. migh as wel organise those heavy metal rock concert.
banana will alwasy be banana - skig utside yellow, peeled off inside meat also yellow
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See how City Harvest pastor asks people for donations
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stupid PAP never do work only until people complain
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hey i think something is wrong. even temples after offering incense the box beside transparent one only ask for any voluntary amount. don;t give also the temple people won;t stop. i think there is something very wrong with some people who practise christianity here, and i think its time gahmen start cleaning house. its real bad for christians in singapore. no wonder masaleh also pissed off. comeone the masalehs thinking, banana yellow skin white fruit inside okay already but using religion to beg for money, like you never donate god will punish you?
cock kee go get a job lah
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Originally posted by QX179R:See how City Harvest pastor asks people for donations
I was laughing when he said, Give until your hearts broke or some shit like that. Seriously this guy got something wrong. Sell your house and give money ? Oh my crap....
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one of the good quote from Stomp:
paperpepper said on 4 Jun, 2010 -
If god is watching this, he will shake his head and say something like Hey who the fk told you to say this
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if i throw one punch at their faces do you think they will feel no pain? their faces will be twisted and God cannot do anything about it i say. but they will receive no such treatment from me because the LAW says its not right to do so. and its not god i fear, its having to rot my time in prison that truely clears my mind unto what is right and wrong.
i assure you god has long abandon the likes of lunie and cork kee
These 2 are in probe of church related problems.
Ming Yi prob is not the temple is ren ci hospital.
See the diff?
Chruch are good at cheating $$ in the name of the J3$u$ Cries!
Wonder why are J3$u$ followers so far-ked up?
Is cheating $$ and flaming of other religion part of the b1bl3 teachings?