Recommend a good digital camera to me!
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Originally posted by TehJarVu:
Fuji Finepix F31fd takes good pics in low lights (no need flash)
but now replaced by F50fd oredi
What is the market price? So what capacity does F50fd have?
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
i've never had any problems is point and shoot cameras when it came to scenary or general daytime photography
its just the night shoots where i need a flash that gives me problems
TRUE... It's always night shoots and those pictures where their beauty could only be captured with dim light or special light effects...
But alot of them are so beautiful, I just....Also, I need something fast enough... So that as beautiful moments in my life flashes by... I'm quick enough to react by taking out a camera to shoot at them!
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Well, kopi, you would know that the sensors on compacts are pretty much useless when it comes to low light. As it is, crop sensors have enough of a challenge in those conditions - all you'd get is noise with a 1.7" CCD.
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
yeah i know, i was referring to devil's post on taking photos on scenary.
so if its day scenary then a PnS will do just fine
but when it comes to night, it just doesn't beat a hotshoe flash for regular shots
any PnS you buy, even a DSLR with the onboard flash, will never be nice
But some of the flash would result in overexposure or spoil the original feel of the scene....?
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Amen, brutha. For night shots indoor, I use a 430EX with a lambency diffuser. It looks funny but it works damned well, especially when you don't have a light surface to bounce off.
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
i'm using the lightsphere, got it about 4yrs back
What's that?
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Originally posted by Devil1976:
Shucks... Pardon me but I'm really quite 'young' and amateur at this... All I wanted at 1st was a camera which I can take of some of the beautiful scenes which happens in my life and post them up in a blog or something... Yet, at the same time I hope not to have them compensated with a 'feel' which is really not the same because of my camera's capacity... Hope you can understand....?By the way, I'm also VERY RAW to post-processings and such....
seriously speaking, u can give a good photographer a PnS and he'll still take good photos.
do not end up like techies who keep blaming equipment when they haven't got the basics sorted out at all.
if u just want to post up a blog, a PnS will do.
i use my handphone camera for things i post on my blog, i personally don't feel like i missed anything. i still can grab photos of my friends and i having beer, i can still grab night images of the live band.
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Originally posted by Devil1976:
But some of the flash would result in overexposure or spoil the original feel of the scene....?
that's why u gotta learn to know when is too near.
if you are really afraid of flash over exposure, get a camera where it has TTL (Through The Lens) capabilities
what it does is that it will calculate and dispense how much light you need, then again it is not entirely idiot proof.
the simplest way to solve this kind of problem is to take a step back.
or if you have a function in the camera to adjust flash power output, just reduce it.
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Originally posted by Devil1976:
TRUE... It's always night shoots and those pictures where their beauty could only be captured with dim light or special light effects...
But alot of them are so beautiful, I
just....Also, I need something fast enough... So that as beautiful moments in my life flashes by... I'm quick enough to react by taking out a camera to shoot at them!
for the first problem.
get a tripod. ANY camera will give u a nice night photo (layman standard) provided u are not picky on the details.
for the second problem.
you'll need a D2Hs.
otherwise u just have to accept the fact that u will never be able to be that fast. OR you just have to train yourself to foresee incidents that are waiting to happen, which is possible.
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Originally posted by Devil1976:
Shucks... Pardon me but I'm really quite 'young' and amateur at this... All I wanted at 1st was a camera which I can take of some of the beautiful scenes which happens in my life and post them up in a blog or something... Yet, at the same time I hope not to have them compensated with a 'feel' which is really not the same because of my camera's capacity... Hope you can understand....?By the way, I'm also VERY RAW to post-processings and such....
Nah, that's perfectly fine. The discussion's gone off on a couple of tangents here, so maybe a quick summary might clarify the picture I'm trying to paint.
First, like I said, the small sensors on compact cameras are not very good at handling low light conditions. There's not a whole lot you can do about that except avoid such conditions. I agree with kopi that being a good photographer will help, but being a good photographer also means knowing the limitations of whatever equipment you have, and what tricks you can use to make up for those. Now there are some compacts like Sigma's DP1 and DP2 that actually have big sensors, but those come with their own compromises.
Speaking as someone who quite happily shot with a Canon S1IS for a few years before going on to DSLRs, I was quite happy with the results that I got at the time, but years later I do find myself looking at those old shots and thinking, "Gee, I wish I could tweak them to improve the image". An example of such a photo is this one I took in 2005:
This is still one of my favourite "grab at the moment" shots (or as you put it, "as life flashes by"), but it's a bit of a pity that the image quality was not better. If it had been taken in RAW and not JPEG, there's more I could have done today to clean the image up.
I understand where you're coming from right now, but from my exeprience I'm just presenting the need to consider future-proofing your shots to some extent.
You don't necessarily have to shoot in RAW. You can set the G10 to shoot in RAW+JPEG (which will take up more space but afford you more flexibility), or you can set it to shoot exclusively in JPEG. The point is that the options are there should you choose to use either format, and if you take RAW shots, down the track you can go back to tweaking them once you've learned a thing or two about post-processing - until then you can just save it as a JPEG without the tweaks.
As for the lambency diffuser, it can work outdoors, but the range isn't great .
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
you'll need a D2Hs.
Bah - a 5D will run rings around the D2Hs.
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Bah - a 5D will run rings around the D2Hs.
its 12.8megapixels
its too big for fast post processing
and its only 3fps!
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Well, Devil wanted something that can take a fast shot, so the approach is "shoot 'em all, post-process 'em later".
I was working on the single-shot principle. If fps is an issue, it would be the 40D then - 10.1 MP and 6.4 fps without the need for the battery grip.
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Originally posted by TehJarVu:
mai hao lian lah
we are lay people heresome pics including night shots i took with my Fuji Finepix F31fd:-
http://sgforums.com/forums/1902/topics/296888
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
seriously speaking, u can give a good photographer a PnS and he'll still take good photos.
do not end up like techies who keep blaming equipment when they haven't got the basics sorted out at all.
if u just want to post up a blog, a PnS will do.
i use my handphone camera for things i post on my blog, i personally don't feel like i missed anything. i still can grab photos of my friends and i having beer, i can still grab night images of the live band.
REALLY...?? THANKS!!So would you still recommend I get the G5 / G10 or other cameras...??
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
that's why u gotta learn to know when is too near.
if you are really afraid of flash over exposure, get a camera where it has TTL (Through The Lens) capabilities
what it does is that it will calculate and dispense how much light you need, then again it is not entirely idiot proof.
the simplest way to solve this kind of problem is to take a step back.
or if you have a function in the camera to adjust flash power output, just reduce it.
THANKS! I think I'm getting the IDEA!
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
Well, Devil wanted something that can take a fast shot, so the approach is "shoot 'em all, post-process 'em later".
I was working on the single-shot principle. If fps is an issue, it would be the 40D then - 10.1 MP and 6.4 fps without the need for the battery grip.
my single shot principle will be assisted by a D3x
looking to flog my d300 when its time to get the d3x.
then i'll have a d2hs for events and d3x for set up shots~ woohoo!
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
for the first problem.
get a tripod. ANY camera will give u a nice night photo (layman standard) provided u are not picky on the details.
for the second problem.
you'll need a D2Hs.
otherwise u just have to accept the fact that u will never be able to be that fast. OR you just have to train yourself to foresee incidents that are waiting to happen, which is possible.
WAH... Thanks....
What's with this D2Hs by the way...?
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Originally posted by kopiosatu:
my single shot principle will be assisted by a D3x
looking to flog my d300 when its time to get the d3x.
then i'll have a d2hs for events and d3x for set up shots~ woohoo!
What, you're not going to wait for the D3Xs?
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Originally posted by Devil1976:
What's with this D2Hs by the way...?
The sneaky bugger's trying to kotok you lah.
Here's the D2Hs:
Just realise I had the wrong model in mind earlier - all these Nikons are the same to me.
Which is the one that does 8fps with the battery pack? -
Originally posted by Gedanken:
Nah, that's perfectly fine. The discussion's gone off on a couple of tangents here, so maybe a quick summary might clarify the picture I'm trying to paint.
First, like I said, the small sensors on compact cameras are not very good at handling low light conditions. There's not a whole lot you can do about that except avoid such conditions. I agree with kopi that being a good photographer will help, but being a good photographer also means knowing the limitations of whatever equipment you have, and what tricks you can use to make up for those. Now there are some compacts like Sigma's DP1 and DP2 that actually have big sensors, but those come with their own compromises.
Speaking as someone who quite happily shot with a Canon S1IS for a few years before going on to DSLRs, I was quite happy with the results that I got at the time, but years later I do find myself looking at those old shots and thinking, "Gee, I wish I could tweak them to improve the image". An example of such a photo is this one I took in 2005:
This is still one of my favourite "grab at the moment" shots (or as you put it, "as life flashes by"), but it's a bit of a pity that the image quality was not better. If it had been taken in RAW and not JPEG, there's more I could have done today to clean the image up.
I understand where you're coming from right now, but from my exeprience I'm just presenting the need to consider future-proofing your shots to some extent.
You don't necessarily have to shoot in RAW. You can set the G10 to shoot in RAW+JPEG (which will take up more space but afford you more flexibility), or you can set it to shoot exclusively in JPEG. The point is that the options are there should you choose to use either format, and if you take RAW shots, down the track you can go back to tweaking them once you've learned a thing or two about post-processing - until then you can just save it as a JPEG without the tweaks.
As for the lambency diffuser, it can work outdoors, but the range isn't great .
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I think I'm GETTING CLOSER NOW!!
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
The sneaky bugger's trying to kotok you lah.
Here's the D2Hs:Just realise I had the wrong model in mind earlier - all these Nikons are the same to me.
Which is the one that does 8fps with the battery pack?Thanks... -.-"
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Originally posted by Devil1976:
REALLY...?? THANKS!!So would you still recommend I get the G5 / G10 or other cameras...??
for me, i'll be ok with a G10
though i'm aiming the Ricoh GX200 because it gives good colour, can focus fast enough for a compact, its well designed, can shoot RAW. but its a daytime camera, any shots at night or requires flash will fail miserably. firstly because it get noisy at midrange ISO and the flash sucks. but depending on how you use it, you might achieve something nice with the noise at night, like those japanese photographers who use this camera.
i'm still considering purchasing this camera because of its results during the day. because i don't take my camera out at night!
but be reminded that the cameras that i've mentioned are around the $700-800 range
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Originally posted by Gedanken:
The sneaky bugger's trying to kotok you lah.
Here's the D2Hs:Just realise I had the wrong model in mind earlier - all these Nikons are the same to me.
Which is the one that does 8fps with the battery
pack?i think its the D300...
its my current, single shot camera now, so no need to go that fast.
and it'll be a bitch to sort out alot of photos at 12+megapixels!!
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Originally posted by Devil1976:
THANKS! I think I'm getting the IDEA!
someone said before that the best zoom is to take a step forward.
it really isn't the equipment sometimes.
the same wide angle lens at different heights will give you different a "feel" each time.
take one standing up, chest level, hip level and from the floor with the same lens, it all looks different.
if the flash is too bright, step back, zoom in to crop the photo.
its that simple