Hokkien A Post

• BanguIzai

  18 Aug 10, 01:16

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  hope amhoanna don't get offended.

  you think amhoanna is baba?

• Clivebenss

  18 Aug 10, 01:17

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  you think amhoanna is baba?

  probably. his hokkien sound like one.

• BanguIzai

  18 Aug 10, 01:20

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  probably. his hokkien sound like one.

  didn't you read his last two sentences in his intro???

  CÅ« sè hàn goá selalu sÄ« hoanná -- in some way or other -- tapi Å« tangsî-á paÌ�t lâng khoàâ�¿ bÄ“ chut, thiaâ�¿ bÄ“ chut, só͘ í suibóng sÄ« hoanná, tapi sÄ« "àm"..e.

  (Goá siá Straits Hokkien nÄ� sÄ« Å« siá mÌ„ tioÌ�h..khì, chiáâ�¿ lúlang liÅ�ng kái, goá pun ciââ�¿ oÌ�h..e sÄ« Tâi'oân ê Bânlâm oÄ“.)

• Clivebenss

  18 Aug 10, 01:23

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  didn't you read his last two sentences in his intro???

  CÅ« sè hàn goá selalu sÄ« hoanná -- in some way or other -- tapi Å« tangsî-á paÌ�t lâng khoàâ�¿ bÄ“ chut, thiaâ�¿ bÄ“ chut, só͘ í suibóng sÄ« hoanná, tapi sÄ« "àm"..e.

  (Goá siá Straits Hokkien nÄ� sÄ« Å« siá mÌ„ tioÌ�h..khì, chiáâ�¿ lúlang liÅ�ng kái, goá pun ciââ�¿ oÌ�h..e sÄ« Tâi'oân ê Bânlâm oÄ“.)

  

• BanguIzai

  18 Aug 10, 01:25

  Originally posted by Clivebenss:

  

  that's what makes me think amhoanna is not a baba,  based on his/her intro

• amhoanna

  18 Aug 10, 12:45

  hehe ... kài simsek.

  "Adulterated" sÄ« æ�Žå…‰è€€ kóng ê lah! Ū lâng kámkak miÌ�hkiÄ�â�¿ nÄ� sÄ« campúr liáu'Ä�u toÌ�h cáuceng khì..a. Tapí Hokkiàn oÄ“ + Tiôciu oÄ“ campúr liáu'Ä�u ná sêng jú khah súi!

  Actually, I'm a different kind of hoanna. My grandparents came from eastern and central TnÌ‚g Soaâ�¿. They migrated to Taiwan in 1949. The orang Hokkien called these non-Hokkien orang TnÌ‚g Soaâ�¿ hoanná—rarely, only when they were mad, and not anymore nowadays. 

  Then when I was a baby, I moved to the U.S.A. with my parents. In the U.S.A., we were definitely hoanna. But since I went so early, I learned how to act & sound just like an ângmo͘ or o͘lâng. So people couldn't tell I was a hoanna anymore. I became an "àm" hoanná.

  When I visited Asia or the Asian community, people assumed I was kind of an ângmo͘sái. So now I was a hoanna in the Asian community too.

  But since my parents didn't speak good English, I kept my ability to speak fluent Mandarin. I even went to school for two years in Taiwan and learned to how to read it. Then, when I went to college, I started learning Hokkien and Cantonese. I stopped being an ângmo͘sái. Yet, I still had a lot of non-Asian ways of thinking. So I was still a hoanna at heart, but I was an "àm" hoanná.

  The bâbâ joke is pretty funny! I don't know any babas. Cit cÅ«n lúlang cai iáâ�¿ goá ê poèkéng / background, Clyde..siansiâ�¿ kóng goá ê Hokkiàn oÄ“ kóng liáu ká ná Baba, I'm tÄ�mpoÌ�h'á flattered, because I didn't speak any Hokkien before tÅ„g toÄ� lâng.

  I hope you don't mind if I write in Hokkien instead. Do you guys prefer lômájÄ« or hànjÄ«?

  "Punjab" toÌ�h sÄ« 五江 ahsÄ« 五å·� ê ìsù... "Land of the Five Rivers".

  TÄ« cit pêng kah lúlang khai káng, kám kah put cí á sim sek.

• amhoanna

  18 Aug 10, 12:53

  Bangulzai,

  �講「寫甲並好了�兮「並�,是唔是 phēng？伫�湾唔八�人咹呢講。

  其実我猶擱是咧學閩�話啦�

  暗番�

   

• Clivebenss

  18 Aug 10, 13:46

  haha.. huay kee hoanna.

• amhoanna

  18 Aug 10, 17:37

  Hehe, bô mÌ„ tioÌ�h lah, tapí goá khì kàu hit pêng oânná sÄ« hoanná: àmhoanná. In'Å«i goá bat ciaÌ�h koè káu bah, mÌ„ sÄ« ciàâ�¿ káng ê Hoe Kî kiáâ�¿.

  Goá sÄ« thâu ciÌ�t pái thiaâ�¿ tioÌ�h lâng kóng Hokkiàn oÄ“ Ä“ sîcÅ«n kóng "Hoe Kî". Taâ�¿ tÄ« Tâi'oân kantaâ�¿ OaÌ�tlâm lâng (越å�—人) ciah cai iáâ�¿ Hoe Kî (Hoa KyÌ€) = USA. Goân lâi lúlang ASEAN tek siÌ�t Å« khah chim!

• BanguIzai

  19 Aug 10, 00:44

  Originally posted by amhoanna:

  hehe ... kài simsek.

  "Adulterated" sÄ« æ�Žå…‰è€€ kóng ê lah! Ū lâng kámkak miÌ�hkiÄ�â�¿ nÄ� sÄ« campúr liáu'Ä�u toÌ�h cáuceng khì..a. Tapí Hokkiàn oÄ“ + Tiôciu oÄ“ campúr liáu'Ä�u ná sêng jú khah súi!

  Actually, I'm a different kind of hoanna. My grandparents came from eastern and central TnÌ‚g Soaâ�¿. They migrated to Taiwan in 1949. The orang Hokkien called these non-Hokkien orang TnÌ‚g Soaâ�¿ hoanná—rarely, only when they were mad, and not anymore nowadays. 

  Then when I was a baby, I moved to the U.S.A. with my parents. In the U.S.A., we were definitely hoanna. But since I went so early, I learned how to act & sound just like an ângmo͘ or o͘lâng. So people couldn't tell I was a hoanna anymore. I became an "àm" hoanná.

  When I visited Asia or the Asian community, people assumed I was kind of an ângmo͘sái. So now I was a hoanna in the Asian community too.

  But since my parents didn't speak good English, I kept my ability to speak fluent Mandarin. I even went to school for two years in Taiwan and learned to how to read it. Then, when I went to college, I started learning Hokkien and Cantonese. I stopped being an ângmo͘sái. Yet, I still had a lot of non-Asian ways of thinking. So I was still a hoanna at heart, but I was an "àm" hoanná.

  The bâbâ joke is pretty funny! I don't know any babas. Cit cÅ«n lúlang cai iáâ�¿ goá ê poèkéng / background, Clyde..siansiâ�¿ kóng goá ê Hokkiàn oÄ“ kóng liáu ká ná Baba, I'm tÄ�mpoÌ�h'á flattered, because I didn't speak any Hokkien before tÅ„g toÄ� lâng.

  I hope you don't mind if I write in Hokkien instead. Do you guys prefer lômájÄ« or hànjÄ«?

  "Punjab" toÌ�h sÄ« 五江 ahsÄ« 五å·� ê ìsù... "Land of the Five Rivers".

  TÄ« cit pêng kah lúlang khai káng, kám kah put cí á sim sek.

   

  hehe ... kài simsek.

  > My reply: 歡喜著好。

  "Adulterated" sÄ« æ�Žå…‰è€€ kóng ê lah! Ū lâng kámkak miÌ�hkiÄ�â�¿ nÄ� sÄ« campúr liáu'Ä�u toÌ�h cáuceng khì..a. Tapí Hokkiàn oÄ“ + Tiôciu oÄ“ campúr liáu'Ä�u ná sêng jú khah súi!

  > My reply: è‘—。ç¦�建話甲潮州話 campur 了å�Žå˜¸ä½†ç„¡èµ°ç²¾ï¼Œå®¶è‡ªå…®ç‰¹è‰²ç…žè‹¥æˆ�愈較水。

  Actually, I'm a different kind of hoanna. My grandparents came from eastern and central TnÌ‚g Soaâ�¿. They migrated to Taiwan in 1949. The orang Hokkien called these non-Hokkien orang TnÌ‚g Soaâ�¿ hoanná—rarely, only when they were mad, and not anymore nowadays. 

  > My reply: yup, æ±�儂著是“外çœ�å„‚”。

  Then when I was a baby, I moved to the U.S.A. with my parents. In the U.S.A., we were definitely hoanna. But since I went so early, I learned how to act & sound just like an ângmo͘ or o͘lâng. So people couldn't tell I was a hoanna anymore. I became an "àm" hoanná.

  > My reply: 原來如此。

  When I visited Asia or the Asian community, people assumed I was kind of an ângmo͘sái. So now I was a hoanna in the Asian community too.

  > My reply: 原來如此。

  But since my parents didn't speak good English, I kept my ability to speak fluent Mandarin. I even went to school for two years in Taiwan and learned to how to read it. Then, when I went to college, I started learning Hokkien and Cantonese. I stopped being an ângmo͘sái. Yet, I still had a lot of non-Asian ways of thinking. So I was still a hoanna at heart, but I was an "àm" hoanná.

  > My reply: hello，暗番�，thanks for explaining。

  The bâbâ joke is pretty funny! I don't know any babas. Cit cÅ«n lúlang cai iáâ�¿ goá ê poèkéng / background, Clyde..siansiâ�¿ kóng goá ê Hokkiàn oÄ“ kóng liáu ká ná Baba, I'm tÄ�mpoÌ�h'á flattered, because I didn't speak any Hokkien before tÅ„g toÄ� lâng.

  > My reply: Clivebenss先生注æ„�è‘—æ±�有用 “selalu” 甲 “campur” 甲 “tapi” å�³æ¬¾ç•ªå›�話嘛。

  I hope you don't mind if I write in Hokkien instead. Do you guys prefer lômájÄ« or hànjÄ«?

  > My reply: I don't mind at all.  As long as the tones are there,  I can make sense out of it.  I am ok with 羅馬字 甲 漢字 甲 國際標音 or some other ad-hoc ones,  as long as your transliteration is consistent and uniform throughout

  "Punjab" toÌ�h sÄ« 五江 ahsÄ« 五å·� ê ìsù... "Land of the Five Rivers".

  > My reply: 原來如此。

  TÄ« cit pêng kah lúlang khai káng, kám kah put cí á sim sek.

  > My reply: æ±�心é�©ç”²æˆ‘儂開講，我儂嘛是相siâng歡喜。

• BanguIzai

  19 Aug 10, 00:49

  Originally posted by amhoanna:

  Bangulzai,

  �講「寫甲並好了�兮「並�,是唔是 phēng？伫�湾唔八�人咹呢講。

  其実我猶擱是咧學閩�話啦�

  暗番�

   

  Hi amhoanna,

  我發ç�¾è‘—「并ã€�較是較著兮寫法。是 pèng。“相當”å…®æ„�æ€�。

• BanguIzai

  19 Aug 10, 00:57

  眞å�¦å‹¢å•Šï¼Œhuay kee (hoe ki) 是甚物來兮？？ 

• Clivebenss

  19 Aug 10, 08:38

  Originally posted by amhoanna:

  Hehe, bô mÌ„ tioÌ�h lah, tapí goá khì kàu hit pêng oânná sÄ« hoanná: àmhoanná. In'Å«i goá bat ciaÌ�h koè káu bah, mÌ„ sÄ« ciàâ�¿ káng ê Hoe Kî kiáâ�¿.

  Goá sÄ« thâu ciÌ�t pái thiaâ�¿ tioÌ�h lâng kóng Hokkiàn oÄ“ Ä“ sîcÅ«n kóng "Hoe Kî". Taâ�¿ tÄ« Tâi'oân kantaâ�¿ OaÌ�tlâm lâng (越å�—人) ciah cai iáâ�¿ Hoe Kî (Hoa KyÌ€) = USA. Goân lâi lúlang ASEAN tek siÌ�t Å« khah chim!

  huay kee si lau phuay kong eh, lee ko si siao lian, eh hiao sng chin gao liao.

  

• Clivebenss

  19 Aug 10, 08:40

  Originally posted by BanguIzai:

  眞å�¦å‹¢å•Šï¼Œhuay kee (hoe ki) 是甚物來兮？？ 

  USA (flower flag) eg huay kee sim = American ginseng.

  

   

• amhoanna

  19 Aug 10, 09:42

  Taâ�¿ tÄ« Tâi'oân lán nÄ� kóng "Hoekî", paÌ�t lâng tiÄ�â�¿ tioÌ�h Ä“ kóng, "Hââ�¿? Hoakî gînhâng (Citibank)..hioh?"

• amhoanna

  19 Aug 10, 09:54

  伫网路頂讀星�馬人寫兮�建話，有当時�感覺�，是唔是�人 hit 爿 koh 有一寡人會曉寫白話字？Ah 來，伫 Singapore 有真济人用 Clive 先生 hit 種寫法，有当時�嘛真 consistent。學校無咧教，�个煞�加減 bat，ce 就真有��，唔 cai �人是咹怎�會到？

  Bangulzai, 看起來� bat 讀�真济語言學兮冊？

  "Selalu" sÄ« goá ioh mÌ„ tioÌ�h..ê! HoÄ�nsè Penang/Medan hit pêng Å« lâng kóng án ne.

• Clivebenss

  19 Aug 10, 14:25

  Penang/Medan si kong chiangchew wei, kah si singkapoh kar chuay kong ay meng wei. wu char piet.

• amhoanna

  19 Aug 10, 17:18

  SÄ«!

  Lán háigoÄ� ná sêng kantaâ�¿ Penang/Medan + Tâi'oân khah Å« teh kóng Ciangciu oÄ“, bô saâ�¿h popular..hÅ�͘â�¿h.

• BanguIzai

  20 Aug 10, 00:28

   

  Originally posted by amhoanna:

  伫网路頂讀星�馬人寫兮�建話，有当時�感覺�，是唔是�人 hit 爿 koh 有一寡人會曉寫白話字？Ah 來，伫 Singapore 有真济人用 Clive 先生 hit 種寫法，有当時�嘛真 consistent。學校無咧教，�个煞�加減 bat，ce 就真有��，唔 cai �人是咹怎�會到？

  Bangulzai, 看起來� bat 讀�真济語言學兮冊？

  "Selalu" sÄ« goá ioh mÌ„ tioÌ�h..ê!  HoÄ�nsè Penang/Medan hit pêng Å« lâng kóng án ne.

  hi amhoanna，

  我約看是我儂�兜（星�馬）會曉寫白話字兮儂，應該是��個臺�兮網路頂學�來兮啦。干若Clive先生兮�款寫法，我約看較儕是Singapore頂擺是英國殖民地兮關係，�總兮儂��路�慾用紅毛字來甲伊轉寫，所以�陣兮Singapore儂加減八寫，八讀會出來咹呢。

  我啊，無甚物讀�眞儕啦，干焦有當時看看爾爾啦。

  喔，Selalu啊，無salah啦，干焦�兜兮儂無甚物用爾爾啦，tapi我儂擱會了解。犯勢Penang/Medan兮儂有影有咹呢講。

   

• amhoanna

  20 Aug 10, 11:08

  瞭解�（RE 紅毛字）"Selalu" �儂𦗟有，是唔是因為本�會曉講淡薄�馬來話？

  希望後擺，å�—æ´‹ã€�å�°æ¹¾ä½®é–©å�—兮阿銘阿蓮æ”�會 tàng 用閩å�—話ã€�é–©å�—文來交臿。

• BanguIzai

  21 Aug 10, 02:11

  Originally posted by amhoanna:

  瞭解�（RE 紅毛字）"Selalu" �儂𦗟有，是唔是因為本�會曉講淡薄�馬來話？

  希望後擺，å�—æ´‹ã€�å�°æ¹¾ä½®é–©å�—兮阿銘阿蓮æ”�會 tàng 用閩å�—話ã€�é–©å�—文來交臿。

  是啦，啱啱好 "Selalu" 是我儂湊拄巧會曉兮啦，哈哈哈。

  希望æ±�兮美夢æˆ�眞咯。 

• amhoanna

  22 Aug 10, 15:12

  好。請多多指教�

• TehJarVu

  22 Aug 10, 15:15

  smlj

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  15 Sep 10, 21:20

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