How should chinese be taught in Singapore?
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Singlish is not an official language. And how long has it been in existence? 40 years?Originally posted by Cenarious:Wad toking you? Our native language is SINGLISH! -
So what? If you're talking about "native" then singlish is confirm our native language!Originally posted by ^spidee^:Singlish is not an official language. And how long has it been in existence? 40 years? -
Ok, but we are not talking about Singlish here, buddy.Originally posted by Cenarious:So what? If you're talking about "native" then singlish is confirm our native language! -
Either you're not a Chinese, or your genes have been modified somehow. In either case, please do not come and BS here..Originally posted by Chelzea:pai seh hor,lim bei ka li kong ,wa ah ah kong ah ma bo kong hua ke ah hor
simlj root, ur ancestors frm beijing si boh ,kns ah ..bo eng brain ah..kana brainwash by some political party in spore liao
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ack, for me, i dont view Chinese as a subject that's not worth learning. Rather, the teaching style doesnt appeal to me..
1stly, i wonder why textbooks have to be used in Chinese..its seriously dry. If english can be thought without the use of textbooks, im sure Chinese can be too. Im not saying that english is better than chinese or something, just commenting that the teaching style aint appealing..
2ndly, it doesnt help that most Chinese teachers are rather conservative in the things that they say, as compared to English teachers. For me, our class can easily communicate with our Eng teacher, cuz we feel that our views are better accepted, and she's more daring to probe into more sensitive topics.. -
english no textbooks meh?
where mr yakki mr wollie and ms lala come from??? -
I am not good using Hanyu, but Chinese 2nd lang still OK. Proper teaching on reading, spelling (proper stroke), meaning, histories (for how some of the words came from), application etc may help.
Using Hanyu can tell the sound like, but writing and recognising the appropriate word could be more important. Chinese characters can be very interesting if you start to find out more..
I don't see any problem for me using chinese, speaking mandarin and understanding them even I had not use them for ages.
Personal view only. Cheers. -
You mean the content in the chinese textbook are dry? I agree some are really dry but of course it depends on preference. I am a more history person than literature. So I'd more readily accept a story from Romance of the Three Kingdoms than let's say the Story of Ah Q.Originally posted by mystiv:1stly, i wonder why textbooks have to be used in Chinese..its seriously dry. If english can be thought without the use of textbooks, im sure Chinese can be too. Im not saying that english is better than chinese or something, just commenting that the teaching style aint appealing..
A lot of the textbook "stories" teach you "values". Some stories are pretty inspiring. One memorable one I remember today is the story of Lord Mengchang. (Mengchang Jun) It is a story of winning people's heart, which I feel is relevant even today.
On the other hand, I feel the teaching of english quite unstructured. Machiam own time own target. Sometimes the teacher throw you comprehension and esssay writing .. and it is called teaching. No wonder my grammer and vocabulary CMI
I bet most people here learn english more from reading and watching dramas/movies. Do you remember your English teacher teaching you anything memorable? -
probably depends on age bah. If the teacher is young, more likely they are more open.Originally posted by mystiv:2ndly, it doesnt help that most Chinese teachers are rather conservative in the things that they say, as compared to English teachers. For me, our class can easily communicate with our Eng teacher, cuz we feel that our views are better accepted, and she's more daring to probe into more sensitive topics.. -
Please, my grandparents came frm fujian province in china and dey dont speak chinese.Originally posted by mystiv:Either you're not a Chinese, or your genes have been modified somehow. In either case, please do not come and BS here..
i believe dat e native language of chinese singaporeans is nt mandarin ok 
Most likely e real mt of spore chinese is hokkien or teochew.
So does it make my grandparents any less chinese if dey cant speak mandarin?????
So in dat case since hongkongers dont have a gd grasp of mandarin ,dey arent chinese????Rubbish
The bottomline is dat our real MT is not mandarin and we shld be learn our dialects instead which is our REAL mt
Either u have been brainwashed by a certain political party or yr ansectors are frm beijing........dats all i can say.....
AND I AM PROUD TO BE A SINGAPOREAN CHINESE N I FEEL U ARE E 1 TALKING BULLSHIT..... -
Then you are making hell for the school.Originally posted by Chelzea:The bottomline is dat our real MT is not mandarin and we shld be learn our dialects instead which is our REAL mt
You expect the school to open language classes for ALL the dialects? -
AIYAH, WHY NT ....BANGALI IS OSO OFFERED AS SECOND LANGUAGE WAD ONLY GT 3 KEY DIALECT WAD,HOKKIEN,TEOCHEW N CANTO WAD
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Personally I feel that unification and standardization is important. While hokkien might be your grandparent's MT, that mentality (of recognizing hokkien and not chinese as MT) is 'obsolete' in this globalized village.Originally posted by Chelzea:Please, my grandparents came frm fujian province in china and dey dont speak chinese. i believe dat e native language of chinese singaporeans is nt mandarin ok
Most likely e real mt of spore chinese is hokkien or teochew.
So does it make my grandparents any less chinese if dey cant speak mandarin?????
So in dat case since hongkongers dont have a gd grasp of mandarin ,dey arent chinese????Rubbish
A common language binds people. Hokkien might bind your grandparents in their village last time, but hokkien cannot bind people from other dialect groups in Singapore, though this is not always true since even people from other dialect groups know hokkien. In any case, hokkien cannot bind students who know only chinese and their own dialect MT. -
Discrimination. I am a Khek you know.Originally posted by Chelzea:AIYAH, WHY NT ....BANGALI IS OSO OFFERED AS SECOND LANGUAGE WAD ONLY GT 3 KEY DIALECT WAD,HOKKIEN,TEOCHEW N CANTO WAD
Somemore got Hainanese and Hockchews also.
Bangali is a language .. but is Hokkien a language? -
Dont worry,can all dialects learn yr mt de.i noe of a gal in my class who learnsOriginally posted by Icemoon:Discrimination. I am a Khek you know.
Somemore got Hainanese and Hockchews also.
Bangali is a language .. but is Hokkien a language?
a mt language which only have 9 students in entire level as JC1
If moe can do dat 4 e indian language ,why nt mt.
And btw, hokkien is a language but in spore ,it is considered sub standard by e govt thus it is called a dialect
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You cannot compare Hokkien with Bangali as Bangali is a full language with different spoken form and written script from Tamil.Originally posted by Chelzea:Dont worry,can all dialects learn yr mt de.i noe of a gal in my class who learns
a mt language which only have 9 students in entire level as JC1
If moe can do dat 4 e indian language ,why nt mt.
And btw, hokkien is a language but in spore ,it is considered sub standard by e govt thus it is called a dialect
As far as I know, Hokkien shares the same written script as Chinese. But it is perculiar because it is not a 100% mapping. I'm not versed in dialects, but I suspect there are some chinese words which have no equivalent in Hokkien and some Hokkien terms don't make sense when translated into chinese literally.
The most important point is, all chinese books use the written script designed for mandarin. -
As a case in point, look at those Cantonese lyrics. Do they make sense to you? Maybe they make sense to a Cantonese speaker but not to an ordinary chinese.
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Mandarin is still the common language used in China beside their dialects, especially in big cities.
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at least my teacher never used it beforeOriginally posted by FireIce:english no textbooks meh?
where mr yakki mr wollie and ms lala come from??? -
the content in the textbooks are getting weirder and weirder..Originally posted by Icemoon:You mean the content in the chinese textbook are dry? I agree some are really dry but of course it depends on preference. I am a more history person than literature. So I'd more readily accept a story from Romance of the Three Kingdoms than let's say the Story of Ah Q.
A lot of the textbook "stories" teach you "values". Some stories are pretty inspiring. One memorable one I remember today is the story of Lord Mengchang. (Mengchang Jun) It is a story of winning people's heart, which I feel is relevant even today.
On the other hand, I feel the teaching of english quite unstructured. Machiam own time own target. Sometimes the teacher throw you comprehension and esssay writing .. and it is called teaching. No wonder my grammer and vocabulary CMI I bet most people here learn english more from reading and watching dramas/movies. Do you remember your English teacher teaching you anything memorable?
in a way, the unstructured manner doesnt make the lessons so boring..and it aint really that unstructured.
my teacher also teaches through movies... -
i rmb chinese lessons used to be v boring (i took higher chinese n had to go to other schs for higher chi lessons coz my own sec sch doesnt offer it, so in my own sec sch's chinese lessons, i found it boring....)Originally posted by mystiv:the content in the textbooks are getting weirder and weirder..
in a way, the unstructured manner doesnt make the lessons so boring..and it aint really that unstructured.
my teacher also teaches through movies...
so in my sch time i had to attend chinese lessons n i found it boring not becoz i find it easy but rather my teacher's teaching method were simply too stereo-typed (when ever he start a new ke4 wen2, he would read once for us, den explain to us the vocabulary, den choose some pple to read the text passage again, den do zhuo4 ye4, den finish...)no add on nth, it is juz simply read n memorise......i rmb me n my fren we were sitting at the last row of the class, we actually listened to our radio at the back while he was toking in front of the class lolx.....)
but going to JC was a different style of teaching...watched movies for literature lesson, bringing newspaper articles to sch n discussing abt it during chinese lessons......yeah no doubt dere are still idioms n vocab to memorise but den is more fun, as JC chinese has no textbook......
if chinese were to teach entirely like english, no textbook n stuff like dat, it would be difficult at primary n secondary level....becoz singapore's student chinese level ish not dat high enough dat we can abolish textbook n shou3 ce4.... -
My secondary school chinese teachers go through the text, in additon they also explain the vocab and related words. That's where your vocab and command of the language can potentially expand.Originally posted by hiphop2009:if chinese were to teach entirely like english, no textbook n stuff like dat, it would be difficult at primary n secondary level....becoz singapore's student chinese level ish not dat high enough dat we can abolish textbook n shou3 ce4....
One teacher even gave us supplement articles from time to time. I remember so fondly .. that was where I learnt Li Qing Zhao's most famous poetry - Sheng1 Sheng1 Man4. ("sound sound slow")
.. and the poetry's most famous line - zhen1 yi2 ge4 chou2 zi4 liao3 de2! -
lol .. my JC AO chinese still had textbook. That was at the sunset of the last century.Originally posted by hiphop2009:but going to JC was a different style of teaching...watched movies for literature lesson, bringing newspaper articles to sch n discussing abt it during chinese lessons......yeah no doubt dere are still idioms n vocab to memorise but den is more fun, as JC chinese has no textbook...... -
haha issit?....ours dun hav liao....teacher came up with their own articles....Originally posted by Icemoon:lol .. my JC AO chinese still had textbook. That was at the sunset of the last century. -
For us(chinese), we also feel chinese is a quite difficult subject . u work hard, t also difficult to got full marks.Originally posted by Icemoon:How?
Teach less, test more?
I thought the easy way to learn language is reading. reading some interesting book....
memory a lot things(include some meaningful story), read a lot story, try to noe the different between the same word use for different sentence..
I prefer read a lot of chinese newspaper, the story not quite long...easy to understand..