Singapore cracks down on anime piracy
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accordingly to tamago's post of the article from ST, they have won the rights for Starhub to disclose the identity of 1,000 users suspected of downloading anime. if each person pays $3000 that would means $3 million dollars into their pockets.
if they manages to get Pac Net to disclose another 1,000 users that would means another $3 million for them. -
I wonder how much is it to get the distribution rights from Japan.
I mean, just get the rights but dun do anything else. No production, advertisement, no website and nothing talked about it.
Just wait for people to download these animes and then catch them, earn big bucks.
Man, this is a very clever business model!
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I hope this thread does not turn into a odex hating thread like what HWZ is now.
It does not help. -
It does not help?
Perhaps if they are forced to close or revamp their relationship models with their fanbase and beyond, it will be a lesson painfully learnt about failed business models and all that..
Going after downloaders will not increase sales, but it will definitely turn off other otakus. The psychological profile of the otaku community is not like any other.
Traditional business/RIAA-sue-till-pants drop models do not work here. -
i am disappointed by the move in today's paper.......Originally posted by Gordonator:accordingly to tamago's post of the article from ST, they have won the rights for Starhub to disclose the identity of 1,000 users suspected of downloading anime. if each person pays $3000 that would means $3 million dollars into their pockets.
if they manages to get Pac Net to disclose another 1,000 users that would means another $3 million for them. 
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They have toOriginally posted by Gordonator:accordingly to tamago's post of the article from ST, they have won the rights for Starhub to disclose the identity of 1,000 users suspected of downloading anime. if each person pays $3000 that would means $3 million dollars into their pockets.
if they manages to get Pac Net to disclose another 1,000 users that would means another $3 million for them.
1) BayTSP (which, if you check around, is very well known for charging pretty high rates. Factor in the USD->SGD conversion)
2) Law firm. I still won't name it, but they deal with Japan. So they would charge Japanese rates too. There's a reason why japanese companies pay well - they spend very well too.
3) Court orders.
4) ISP charges. The ISPs are profiteering from this. They are charging pretty high amounts to release the data, since this is their chance to earn.
5) Odex having to hire extra manpower to go through the documentation, match, and then send them out.
3k i believe are really legal fees. -
Like I said, they must be staffed by rank amateurs in business.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:They have to
1) BayTSP (which, if you check around, is very well known for charging pretty high rates. Factor in the USD->SGD conversion)
2) Law firm. I still won't name it, but they deal with Japan. So they would charge Japanese rates too. There's a reason why japanese companies pay well - they spend very well too.
3) Court orders.
4) ISP charges. The ISPs are profiteering from this. They are charging pretty high amounts to release the data, since this is their chance to earn.
5) Odex having to hire extra manpower to go through the documentation, match, and then send them out.
3k i believe are really legal fees.
Pity pity.. -
The best we can do now is to just STFU and see what odex does next.Originally posted by LazerLordz:It does not help?
Perhaps if they are forced to close, it will be a lesson about failed business models and all that..
Hopefully they would look more into what the anime fans are trying to appeal.
And try to condone with our what we want gradually.
I know they have not been doing this for past few years. But at then the response and harted towards them were not so high yet.
Its not a matter of being a coward or anything.
Its the matter of whats the optimal thing to do now.
Even if someone really manage to counter sue odex back and win the case. (very unlikely)
It proves nothing except that there are loopholes in how Odex is handling this matter.
Yes, glory and hounour might shine on whoever that wins the case. And people from the internet will look upon him as a hero.
But all in all. It will not help the anime community. Downloading will afterall still be illegal.
The government might even start to get paranoid about this online piracy case. And tighten up on online piracy laws.
I seriously dont think they will start to think
"oh how sad, a 9year old boy has been sued. Lets make the copyright law more lenient."
And i am sure everyone knows that odex has quality issues.
But digging it up over and over again does not help.
Exposing odex director does not help.
Gather fund and counter sueing odex does not help.
The thing we should do now is to save the anime community.
And not fight back against odex.
I hope you guys will understand this.
Fighting against odex =/= Saving anime community.
Shouting i hate odex and acting like a retard does not help.
Everyone one please do not follow the sheeps that are doing that currently.
We are already in deep shit now.
Downloading anime is a crime. This is something we must face.
And i think its rather stupid if we were to push all blames towards quality issues and their slow release.
Cheers. Again.
They would not be forced to close.
Trust me. They have japanese companies behind them after all.
*ahem* TV Tokyo *ahem*
The japanese are not so stupid.
If they are, the first thing they would do is start killing those uploaders in their country. And not aiming at singapore.
Singapore is just a damm lab rat.
Believe me or not. -
Since you are one of those who have paid, how about telling us some more?Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:They have to
1) BayTSP (which, if you check around, is very well known for charging pretty high rates. Factor in the USD->SGD conversion)
2) Law firm. I still won't name it, but they deal with Japan. So they would charge Japanese rates too. There's a reason why japanese companies pay well - they spend very well too.
3) Court orders.
4) ISP charges. The ISPs are profiteering from this. They are charging pretty high amounts to release the data, since this is their chance to earn.
5) Odex having to hire extra manpower to go through the documentation, match, and then send them out.
3k i believe are really legal fees.
Or have you signed a gag order where you are prevented from saying anything else? If you do, I will take note of what you have written above for future reference and usage, since in any case, you're violating their gag order...
I'm sure those who are ignorant of their point of view, like me here, would like to know more about them. Otherwise, they would always be seen as being secretive and have something to hide rather than facing a chicken and egg situation which I have inferred so far from reading your blog posts. -
anyone with anime downloaded will be caught ah?
even if it's an obscure anime like Hot Lady Osaka? -
There is a scan of the entire gag order in HWZ.Originally posted by CoolMyth:Since you are one of those who have paid, how about telling us some more?
Or have you signed a gag order where you are prevented from saying anything else? If you do, I will take note of what you have written above for future reference and usage, since in any case, you're violating their gag order...
I'm sure those who are ignorant of their point of view, like me here, would like to know more about them. Otherwise, they would always be seen as being secretive and have something to hide rather than facing a chicken and egg situation which I have inferred so far from reading your blog posts.
Go dig for it if you want.
For whatever i say.
Nobody will believe me. And cotinue to be skeptical about this.
Trust me.
And even after all these crap going on. I dont think i am trusting odex anymore.
I just hope that the anime community does not dies out.
My last post as of now in this thread. -
Does anyone here have ever stated that downloading of animes is right? I think most of us do know the legal implications. I myself have no qualms about it.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:The best we can do now is to just STFU and see what odex does next.
Hopefully they would look more into what the anime fans are trying to appeal.
And try to condone with our what we want gradually.
I know they have not been doing this for past few years. But at then the response and harted towards them were not so high yet.
Its not a matter of being a coward or anything.
Its the matter of whats the optimal thing to do now.
Even if someone really manage to counter sue odex back and win the case. (very unlikely)
It proves nothing except that there are loopholes in how Odex is handling this matter.
Yes, glory and hounour might shine on whoever that wins the case. And people from the internet will look upon him as a hero.
But all in all. It will not help the anime community. Downloading will afterall still be illegal.
The government might even start to get paranoid about this online piracy case. And tighten up on online piracy laws.
I seriously dont think they will start to think
"oh how sad, a 9year old boy has been sued. Lets make the copyright law more lenient."
And i am sure everyone knows that odex has quality issues.
But digging it up over and over again does not help.
Exposing odex director does not help.
Gather fund and counter sueing odex does not help.
The thing we should do now is to save the anime community.
And not fight back against odex.
I hope you guys will understand this.
Fighting against odex =/= Saving anime community.
Shouting i hate odex and acting like a retard does not help.
Everyone one please do not follow the sheeps that are doing that currently.
We are already in deep shit now.
Downloading anime is a crime. This is something we must face.
And i think its rather stupid if we were to push all blames towards quality issues and their slow release.
Cheers. Again.
They would not be forced to close.
Trust me. They have japanese companies behind them after all.
*ahem* TV Tokyo *ahem*
The japanese are not so stupid.
If they are, the first thing they would do is start killing those uploaders in their country. And not aiming at singapore.
Singapore is just a damm lab rat.
Believe me or not.
The grievances that we all have is their sudden, without warning and damaging actions to catch those who are downloading.
I'm sure you are one of those who prefer to see a warning letter first before getting the letter to pay up for example.
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Up for a litmus test?
A standard media enquiry to the corporate communications office of some of the major Japanese studios will suffice.
The issue here is that many people, especially non-anime fans are observing this case very closely.
Secondly, those of us who are lobbying for a Data Protection Act and a FOIA(Freedom of Information Act) are watching this very keenly. This will have an impact on the balance struck between corporate interests and citizen's rights in this new media landscape.
Thirdly, like it or not, the wheels are turning. Corporations have to realise that there is a certain limit they may not cross, especially dealing with industries that have a cross-border fanbase. There will be attrition.
If you ask around or observe related firms, there have been small but gradually increasing impact on their profit margins. Not only that, public perception and goodwill forms a huge aspect of these companies brand management..
Time will tell, but it won't take too long to see the impact.. -
Did I say that I dun believe you? I'm asking you to say more, say what exactly did they tell you. But since there's really a gag order, I can't force you to if you do not want to.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:There is a scan of the entire gag order in HWZ.
Go dig for it if you want.
For whatever i say.
Nobody will believe me. And cotinue to be skeptical about this.
Trust me.
And even after all these crap going on. I dont think i am trusting odex anymore.
I just hope that the anime community does not dies out.
My last post as of now in this thread.
Anyway. Look at your posts. Are you reiterating what the people there have told you when you paid up your amount? Are any of those really your own opinions and views? -
wats the procedure they use to apprehend suspects downloaders? Do our ISPs send out warning letters beforehand? or do ODEX straight away send out a writ to us to appear before them for the "meeting"? Confused by so many different versions from the Net, the newspapers and from friends..
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hmm. got some people here support odex right?
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This i will.Originally posted by CoolMyth:Does anyone here have ever stated that downloading of animes is right? I think most of us do know the legal implications. I myself have no qualms about it.
The grievances that we all have is their sudden, without warning and damaging actions to catch those who are downloading.
I'm sure you are one of those who prefer to see a warning letter first before getting the letter to pay up for example.
Care to comment?
Okay see.
From odex's point of view.
They did warn the anime community numerous times before already.
You can go HWZ and dig up those news articles that they warned us on.
But people did not give in.
So they felt the need to do so.
And according to them. Its TV TOKYO that asked them to do so.
And from my point of view.
Even if they did warn the community lets say in May 2007.
The community would still continue to dl.
And even if odex catches what we downloaded from lets say june onwards.
The people in HWZ would still continue to bark.
IMO ~~~
PS: All these are from odex. I am not saying i believe or i support whatever they say. -
XX,Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:There is a scan of the entire gag order in HWZ.
Go dig for it if you want.
For whatever i say.
Nobody will believe me. And cotinue to be skeptical about this.
Trust me.
And even after all these crap going on. I dont think i am trusting odex anymore.
I just hope that the anime community does not dies out.
My last post as of now in this thread.
The anime community won't die out. There are huge segments out there who regularly do direct shipment of their favorite goodies from Japan..
Add in the cosplay craze and all that.. I think it's going to stay relatively strong.
Not to mention, this incident has probably brought all of them closer..
Im in the process of doing some studies of the relative impact of popular Japanese culture in Singapore at the moment..and that's why I have a keen interest in seeing how the community reacts as a single entity or not.. -
Nope i am not.Originally posted by CoolMyth:Did I say that I dun believe you? I'm asking you to say more, say what exactly did they tell you. But since there's really a gag order, I can't force you to if you do not want to.
Anyway. Look at your posts. Are you reiterating what the people there have told you when you paid up your amount? Are any of those really your own opinions and views?
Those are my opinion and views.
I would state so whenever i reiterate what odex tells me.
And as for the gag order.
No one really cares anymore. -
The only method that we see now, and most likely the only method, is the "Registered Mail of Doom".Originally posted by Master -_-:wats the procedure they use to apprehend suspects downloaders? Do our ISPs send out warning letters beforehand? or do ODEX straight away send out a writ to us to appear before them for the "meeting"? Confused by so many different versions from the Net, the newspapers and from friends..
They will send you a registered mail, serving you the notice to go meet them to settle this issue and "reimburse" them for their hard work in finding and notifying you.
Since it's a registered mail, everything is recorded down and you can't say you didn't receive the letter and therefore dun turn up for the meeting.
No warning letter, nadda. Zip, Zero.
Just ask Xephone. He paid $3,420 to them, if I recalled from his blog. -
ya i was thinking the same thing too. easy money... sigh...Originally posted by CoolMyth:I wonder how much is it to get the distribution rights from Japan.
I mean, just get the rights but dun do anything else. No production, advertisement, no website and nothing talked about it.
Just wait for people to download these animes and then catch them, earn big bucks.
Man, this is a very clever business model! -
So consumers, vote with your wallet.
Buy direct from Japan and cut out the middleman. -
Okay, so I gather.Originally posted by Xephone_xenon:This i will.
Okay see.
From odex's point of view.
They did warn the anime community numerous times before already.
You can go HWZ and dig up those news articles that they warned us on.
But people did not give in.
So they felt the need to do so.
And according to them. Its TV TOKYO that asked them to do so.
And from my point of view.
Even if they did warn the community lets say in May 2007.
The community would still continue to dl.
And even if odex catches what we downloaded from lets say june onwards.
The people in HWZ would still continue to bark.
IMO ~~~
PS: All these are from odex. I am not saying i believe or i support whatever they say.
That "newspaper" report in May or something like that was a prelude. The final warning so to say. Right?
TV Tokyo asked them to do so. Okay, for the benefit of the doubt, I trust that, though I welcomed more transparency. If Japan wants to catch us, we all lan pa pa lan.
Now
Let me ask you a simple question.
When did you download those anime you were caught for? -
What? Your FYP? Thesis?Originally posted by LazerLordz:Im in the process of doing some studies of the relative impact of popular Japanese culture in Singapore at the moment..and that's why I have a keen interest in seeing how the community reacts as a single entity or not..
Damn you! -
I dont think so actually.Originally posted by LazerLordz:XX,
The anime community won't die out. There are huge segments out there who regularly do direct shipment of their favorite goodies from Japan..
Add in the cosplay craze and all that.. I think it's going to stay relatively strong.
Not to mention, this incident has probably brought all of them closer..
Im in the process of doing some studies of the relative impact of popular Japanese culture in Singapore at the moment..and that's why I have a keen interest in seeing how the community reacts as a single entity or not..
Only like 10% of the anime community does that.
And do take note that a huge part of the anime community is being made up by teenagers under the age of 18.
Cosplay craze. The narutards and bleachtards do not give a damm about it.
And these narutards and bleachtards are like 70% of the community.
And i dont really agree on the bringing us closer part.
As for your last paragraph lets not go into that and complicate matters la.