For Those who Had migrated
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Ai yo so defensive .....am I adding salt to your wound?Originally posted by Gazelle:yeah, then stop whinning about local singaporeasns being idiots and you being the foreign talent in the white man's land.
Economic? You are talking crap when you are saying that you cant make a decently living without being a scholar in Singapore.
Opportunities? Hell yes, loads of job opportunity in Australia for foreign talents like you to take up jobs which white men are not interested. Isnt that the equivalent for filipinos taking nursing job in Singapore? I guess some people just prefer to lick a white butt to wiping an asian arse
For your information - when I say local idiot - I refer to myself at the point when I was in Singapore. Why so sensitive? Even other people know I am being sarcastic.
Economic - hello ...paying off a HDB flat with only a 99 year old lease and paying it off for the rest of my working life is not my version of decent living ....worrying about job security with all the young cheaper foreign "talent" hovering around me like vultures is not my version of decent living in Singapore . Of course lah ...MOST of us are not as lucky as YOU are to get a 10k salary in Singapore and who could boast about some big continental car. So we have to go out lor ...what's your problem with that?
If I can afford a nice freehold title house in Australia where I can pass it down to the future generations , if I can afford to buy a nice car without worrying about paying it off for the rest of my life - Why so unhappy about it? Unless of course , you want the rest of us to be poorer than you so that you can feel like a BIG MAN among us ...ok lor ...speechless lah.
Opportunities - FYI there are asians in Australia , there are caucasians and there are certainly arabs/lebanese/turkish people around. Don't tell me you are so White-sighted - you are likely to wipe their asses more than I . Health care is a right for everyone , not JUST for the so called noveau rich like you and asians tend to be the ones who tend to be more well to do than the whites in Australia. And I am not a nurse anymore .... So don't even presume to assume. -
To me what you are saying about your parents THINKING of leaving this country is no difference to the other 3 million singaporeans who are always whinning about it when the government start to increase tax, transportation charges and foreign talent.Originally posted by LazerLordz:Go take your chip elsewhere. You have issues, perhaps deepseated ones dating back to your childhood.
I will not entertain your puerile fantasies of actually making a difference through your words, any further.
And please dont tell me that crap that it is so easy for an elderly couple who have spend 3 quarters of the life living in Singapore to migrate to a foreign land to start the life all over again, without close friends and relatives.
Talking is easy, try doing it.. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:To me what you are saying about your parents THINKING of leaving this country is no difference to the other 3 million singaporeans who are always whinning about it when the government start to increase tax, transportation charges and foreign talent.
And please dont tell me that crap that it is so easy for an elderly couple who have spend 3 quarters of the life living in Singapore to migrate to a foreign land to start the life all over again, without close friends and relatives.
Talking is easy, try doing it..
It's so easy these days ain't it? Assumptions are on sale I see.. -
Ai yah LL - Gazelle always assume at the speed of the deer he is named after.Originally posted by Gazelle:And please dont tell me that crap that it is so easy for an elderly couple who have spend 3 quarters of the life living in Singapore to migrate to a foreign land to start the life all over again, without close friends and relatives.
Talking is easy, try doing it..
let me make it clear for you on the above
Very easy . let me tell you how : my parents have friends in Australia ...all of whom migrated from Singapore. So got mini Singaporean community. Got my relatives in Western Australia as well . They are migrating to retire here- got a reasonable and cheap healthcare system ... Got private insurance to have their own private hospital room . Got nice parks to wonder about ...got nice places to go holiday at in Australia or just walk about . No more haze from sumatra ....also good! -
Glad to know that your family is living in a much more sustainable place than here.Originally posted by fymk:Ai yah LL - Gazelle always assume at the speed of the deer he is named after.
let me make it clear for you on the above
Very easy . let me tell you how : my parents have friends in Australia ...all of whom migrated from Singapore. So got mini Singaporean community. Got my relatives in Western Australia as well . They are migrating to retire here- got a reasonable and cheap healthcare system ... Got private insurance to have their own private hospital room . Got nice parks to wonder about ...got nice places to go holiday at in Australia or just walk about . No more haze from sumatra ....also good!
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Oh boy, here we go again.
Okay, according to some immigration statistics I managed to find in a few minutes, the mean age of Singaporean immigrants to Australia has risen from 27 years in 1976 to 36 years in 2001 (source: http://immigration.museum.vic.gov.au). Note that this number includes univeristy students typically aged between 17 and 25.
Given that the immigration application system here disadvantages applicants over the age of 30, the mean rising up to 36 years of age shows a strong trend of older Singaporeans moving to Australia despite the conditions of immigration, and with so many young university students here, all things being equal, there's got to be an equal number of Singaporean immigrants who are between the ages of 47 and 55, if not older.
The numbers show that there's no case to support older Singaporeans' unwillingness to move to Australia, so all this conjecture about it being sooooo difficult for older Singaoporeans to move is simply conjecture because the evidence speaks to the contrary. -
Gen, you never fail to amuse me by the way you analyze data.Originally posted by Gedanken:Oh boy, here we go again.
Okay, according to some immigration statistics I managed to find in a few minutes, the mean age of Singaporean immigrants to Australia has risen from 27 years in 1976 to 36 years in 2001 (source: http://immigration.museum.vic.gov.au). Note that this number includes univeristy students typically aged between 17 and 25.
Given that the immigration application system here disadvantages applicants over the age of 30, the mean rising up to 36 years of age shows a strong trend of older Singaporeans moving to Australia despite the conditions of immigration, and with so many young university students here, all things being equal, there's got to be an equal number of Singaporean immigrants who are between the ages of 47 and 55, if not older.
The numbers show that there's no case to support older Singaporeans' unwillingness to move to Australia, so all this conjecture about it being sooooo difficult for older Singaoporeans to move is simply conjecture because the evidence speaks to the contrary.
Have you consider that the average age of the whole population taken in 1976 would be (27+ 25) 52 years old in 2001?
If you look at the charts of 5 years interval, what they are showing is majority of the singapore immigrants are between age of 20 to 24, and there is no evidence that they is an influx of influx of elderly Singaporeans but an aging population for singapore immigrants.
Good try!!
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I think the distant between victorial and WA is about the same distant as Singapore to HK? I am not sure if all friends are the same to you because I believe that in life you only have a handful of really good friends, the rest are all acquaintance.Originally posted by fymk:Ai yah LL - Gazelle always assume at the speed of the deer he is named after.
let me make it clear for you on the above
Very easy . let me tell you how : my parents have friends in Australia ...all of whom migrated from Singapore. So got mini Singaporean community. Got my relatives in Western Australia as well . They are migrating to retire here- got a reasonable and cheap healthcare system ... Got private insurance to have their own private hospital room . Got nice parks to wonder about ...got nice places to go holiday at in Australia or just walk about . No more haze from sumatra ....also good!
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ROFL ...Assumptions ...More assumptions...Originally posted by Gazelle:I think the distant between victorial and WA is about the same distant as Singapore to HK? I am not sure if all friends are the same to you because I believe that in life you only have a handful of really good friends, the rest are all acquaintance.
Dont kid me, migration for elderly are never easy, unless you are
I thank you for the concern about my elderly parents ...however let me point out - you don't know crap shit about them or even my whole family - it's hilarious when you want to behave so self-righteously without the facts . So any more "kindly" advice for the elderly before I show it to my parents so that they can have a good chuckle? At your expense of course -
I am not sure if their purpose of going to australia is to baby sit you..Originally posted by fymk:ROFL ...Assumptions ...More assumptions...
I thank you for the concern about my elderly parents ...however let me point out - you don't know crap shit about them or even my whole family - it's hilarious when you want to behave so self-righteously without the facts . So any more "kindly" advice for the elderly before I show it to my parents so that they can have a good chuckle? At your expense of course -
Ai ai ai. Whoever said that the average age is 52? As you can see from the chart on the site, the average age is already spelt out for you - it was 27 in 1976 and 36 in 2001. Why would you want to go trying to calculate average age when it's already been listed there?Originally posted by Gazelle:Gen, you never fail to amuse me by the way you analyze data.
Have you consider that the average age of the whole population taken in 1976 would be (27+ 25) 52 years old in 2001?
If you look at the charts of 5 years interval, what they are showing is majority of the singapore immigrants are between age of 20 to 24, and there is no evidence that they is an influx of influx of elderly Singaporeans but an aging population for singapore immigrants.
Good try!!
Okay, if I have to spoonfeed you as usual:
- in 1976, 0.71% of the total group of Singaporean immigrants to Australia was aged over 50
- in 2001, 17.20% of the total group of Singaporean immigrants to Australia was aged over 50
To put it another way, a Singaporean moving to Australia became 24 times more likely to be aged over 50 over that period. If you want to hang on to ideas that are 30 years out of date, feel free - the rest of us are living in the present where more people of our parents' age can afford and are willing to move from Singapore to Australia. -
you must be joking, I almost puke trying to digest what you are trying to feed me here.Originally posted by Gedanken:Ai ai ai. Whoever said that the average age is 52? As you can see from the chart on the site, the average age is already spelt out for you - it was 27 in 1976 and 36 in 2001. Why would you want to go trying to calculate average age when it's already been listed there?
Okay, if I have to spoonfeed you as usual:
- in 1976, 0.71% of the total group of Singaporean immigrants to Australia was aged over 50
- in 2001, 17.20% of the total group of Singaporean immigrants to Australia was aged over 50
To put it another way, a Singaporean moving to Australia became 24 times more likely to be aged over 50 over that period. If you want to hang on to ideas that are 30 years out of date, feel free - the rest of us are living in the present where more people of our parents' age can afford and are willing to move from Singapore to Australia.
The total population of Singapore immigrants population in 1976 is 1611 and their average is 27, and the average age of the same pool of people will be over 50 years old in 2001.
In 2001, the total Singapore immigrant population is 7473, which includes the same pool from 1976, which is suppose to be above the average age 50 years.
If you divide 1611/7473 = 21.5% :mrgreen
In order for the pecentage of over 50 years to be 17.2%, you will need to have a much bigger proportion of young immigrant isnt it?
24 times? heheheh
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So you're saying that 335 Singaporeans materialised out of nowhere?
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If you are not convince, let me show you another example.
Look through the age breakdown between 1991 to 2001.
1991 (40-44yrs) : approx. 580 person
1996 (45-49yrs) : approx. 580 person
2001 (50-54yrs) : approx. 580 person
If you are saying that there are many immigrant over the age 50 going to Australia, then where isnt there a surge in the no. of Singapore immigrant above the age of 50?
24 times? heheha GED, stop playing with numbers lah...hehe -
Approx 580? Let's get some more precise figures, shall we?
Following that cohort from 1976, it's:
1976 - 253
1981 - 363
1986 - 458
1991 - 574
1996 - 546
2001 - 588
As you can see, the numbers actually went down in 1996 - are you sure that they're the same people staying there over time?
If you're saying that it's more the younger Singaporeans who are moving in, why is the mean age going up? At the very least, if the same proportions moved over the years (with a total larger number), the mean would remain the same, but it's going up.
Even if you want to assume that the same people were staying, let's take the number of 50-55's of one year and subtract the number of 45-50's from five years before (of course, they would be 50-55's during the next measurement wouldn't they?). That way, we get the number of new 50-55's entering.
1976 - 1 (34-33)
1981 - -3 (70-73)
1986 - 13 (103-90)
1991 - 35 (213-17
1996 - -23 (251-274)
2001 - 42 (588-546)
There are 4.64 times as many Singaporeans in 2001 compared to 1976. If you're saying that older Singaporeans are no more likely to move over the 2001 figure should have been 5, not 42.
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Gen, I am not so keen to discuss this to the exact 1 or 2 person because that is none of my concern. All I need to do here is to show you that assumption of a surge in elderly Singaporeans migrating do Australia is CRAP. Period!Originally posted by Gedanken:Approx 580? Let's get some more precise figures, shall we?
Following that cohort from 1976, it's:
1976 - 253
1981 - 363
1986 - 458
1991 - 574
1996 - 546
2001 - 588
As you can see, the numbers actually went down in 1996 - are you sure that they're the same people?
If you're saying that it's more the younger Singaporeans who are moving in, why is the mean age going up? At the very least, if the same proportions moved over the years (with a total larger number), the mea would remain the same, but it's going up.
Why the mean age going up? Go ask you geograhy teacher from sec school, she will explain to you...
Ged...I salute you!! your Maths is power!!! -
Ged, stop embarrassing yourself lah.Originally posted by Gedanken:Even if you want to assume that the same people were staying, let's take the number of 50-55's of one year and subtract the number of 45-50's from five years before (of course, they would be 50-55's during the next measurement wouldn't they?). That way, we get the number of new 50-55's entering.
1976 - 1 (34-33)
1981 - -3 (70-73)
1986 - 13 (103-90)
1991 - 35 (213-17
1996 - -23 (251-274)
2001 - 42 (588-546)
There are 4.64 times as many Singaporeans in 2001 compared to 1976. There are 42 times as many new 50-55's arriving in 2001 compared to 1976.
Hmmm.
1) Is there a trend that more elderly singapore are moving to australia?
If the answer is no, then what you are talking earlier is crap.
2) 42 time as many "new" 50-55 ARRIVING in 2001?
I suggest that you put of your glasses and read carefully before trying to give so many crab analysis.
You are become like a joke all over again...jialat....someone has to help you now.. -
If no new Singaporeans arrived and none left, of course the mean age would go up, but as usual you stop halfway. It's obvious that more people have arrived, since the total number has gone up from 1611 to 7473, so that theory's out of the picture, despite what your geography teacher told you.
If older people were no more likely to move in 2001 than in 1976, the mean would stay the same. If older people were less likely to move over that same period , the mean age would drop.
If older people were more likely to move, the mean age would go up.
Yeah, this is secondary school stuff all right, but it's not geography - it's simple averages. -
Originally posted by Gazelle:
1 new 50-55's arrived in 1976; 42 new 50-55's arrived in 2001. Which part of that did you miss?
2) 42 time as many "new" 50-55 [b]ARRIVING in 2001?
I suggest that you put of your glasses and read carefully before trying to give so many crab analysis. [/b]
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why choose 1976 to 2001, and not 1976 to 1996, or 1996 to 2001?Originally posted by Gedanken:1 new 50-55's arrived in 1976; 42 new 50-55's arrived in 2001. Which part of that did you miss? -
1 or 2? The number dropped by 28, and that's only if no new people in that cohort arrived. You're basing your conclusions on the assumption that the people who are there arrived before, and the numbers show that this is not the case. Don't fudge the details so that your case appears to stand up.Originally posted by Gazelle:Gen, I am not so keen to discuss this to the exact 1 or 2 person because that is none of my concern. -
Oh, you want to do 1996 (-23) to 2001 (42)? Can also!Originally posted by Gazelle:why choose 1976 to 2001, and not 1976 to 1996, or 1996 to 2001?
Actually, you do have a point - I really should use all the data on that site. I'll do it in the morning and see how it comes out. Time to cop some Z's! -
Yeah, then explain why there is sudden drop in 1996 if there is indeed a trend?Originally posted by Gedanken:If no new Singaporeans arrived and none left, of course the mean age would go up, but as usual you stop halfway. It's obvious that more people have arrived, since the total number has gone up from 1611 to 7473, so that theory's out of the picture, despite what your geography teacher told you.
If older people were no more likely to move in 2001 than in 1976, the mean would stay the same. If older people were less likely to move over that same period , the mean age would drop.
If older people were more likely to move, the mean age would go up.
Yeah, this is secondary school stuff all right, but it's not geography - it's simple averages.
What i can tell you is that, contrary to what you are saying that there is a rising trend of elderly mirgation to australia, the opposite is likely to happen because economy in singapore improving. -
Those numbers from the Immigration Museum...they're refering to those who migrated in the specified period only, and not existing migrants AND new migrants?
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Wah....never thought of it that way but my parents must REALLY love me so much mah ! Why... your parents don't love you enough to do that so you jealous issit?Originally posted by Gazelle:I am not sure if their purpose of going to australia is to baby sit you..
From talking with my Singaporeans friends and my relatives in Australia ,all I know is that when someone who is OPENLY sour about singaporeans planning or actually migrating to anywhere or Australia - they either failed to make it overseas and have to return blaming the country instead of themselves , OR the country don't want them . So Gazelle , which one is your reason?
Usually Singaporeans who love Singapore will just ask why and wish you the best and you wish them the best and both go on our own happy way keeping in contact ....and none of them behave like you gaz .