Are Singles Being Deprived In Singapore ? ?
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Originally posted by the Bear:real life.. met through the same guild or something like that...
from the stories, a couple of them met, and got married in real life... then the wife went and had an affair with another member of the guild and stuff like that...
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But does getting that WOW confirms that the single will no longer be single?
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that'll be dependent on the guild right?
what if the guild was made up of people who don't meet up.. because it seems like they did
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Did I say another round of GST increase....Originally posted by fishiotherapy:Okay, bad me... wrong analogy
Put it this way; if you run a nation, would you give perks to encourage pro-creation or to those 'dead ends' like us? In a perfect world, all of us wud be equal, but where shall the $ come from? Another round of GST increase? Are we prepare to pay 30-40% personal income tax to have extra perks like oz? We have to be careful of what we wish for, we could really get 'it' . Perhaps a more transparent expenditure on chenghu annual budget may help all to see the problem. We cant solve problems without identifying them.
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Eh...Originally posted by fishiotherapy:Fu ren yu chian ping, you li shuo bu ching! I think it is more like 'ping' yu chian 'fu ren'. 
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HAR?? *scratches head...
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how can government help anyone seek a soul mate? for the matter, how can anyone help you seek a soul mate?Originally posted by rmyfrm:Rather than view institutions like the SDU as seeking to achieve an underlying govt purpose (which I do not deny), it would be much more beneficial for people to just take it prima facie.
Singaporeans don't know how lucky they are - to have the govt help them seek a soul mate in urban Singapore.
Singaporean singles complain about having too much work - until they cannot go out and "pah-tor" - but when the govt steps in to provide a supporting arm, Singaporean singles quickly divert the argument to that "the-govt-do-this-just-to-have-more-babies". Even worse, go an attach all sorts of stigma/uncalled notions regarding the institution.
FYI: I did not meet my gf in SDU - I probably do not even qualify for it (age bar) but I do know a thing or two about being objective and appreciating what has been done, and what is being done.
Do you even know what you are talking about?
Btw, not every single is single cos they choose so. Some cant find a soulmate, and choose not to settle for 2nd best, are you or the government going to fault them for that? Or are you or the government encouraging such individuals to just get married for the sake of it? -
Now, are you encouraging people to marry for money?!Originally posted by rmyfrm:I have no idea what you're going on about haha, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that single moms cannot give up their freedom or something? and your later points don't make sense to me ~ but in any case, here goes again:
My stance towards single parents is that because of the additional burden of dependents, they should be entitled to subsidy in the form of housing. Raising kids alone is hard enough, and much harder when you have to pay for two on the income of one.
Tax that singles pay will ultimately be returned when they do get married and receive a subsidy. Further, while they remain single - rather than not seek out a soulmate (hey no free lunch in the world, especially not one delivered right to your door), they could make use of SDU services (which is again funded by the taxes they pay). If the choice to remain single is because he/she enjoys the freedom blah blah blah, then again, no reason why govt should subsidize when, let me stress, that person would have less to pay than most.
Single parents pay for their taxes, but they have the additional burden of dependents. Singles on the other hand .. I don't see how you can possibly consciously say "singles have it harder" - like HOW !? distinguish between single parents with a one income, two mouths to feed + all the misc. expenses of having a kid blah blah blah.
I recognise that singles have liabilities (study debt etc) as well, but that pales in comparison to most single parents/snr citizens etc. - they have the same as you do (in different forms) plus the additional liabilities that you will never have. -
You think want to find, can find meh? like go market buy vegetable?Originally posted by rmyfrm:I have no idea what you're going on about haha, correct me if I'm wrong, but you're saying that single moms cannot give up their freedom or something? and your later points don't make sense to me ~ but in any case, here goes again:
My stance towards single parents is that because of the additional burden of dependents, they should be entitled to subsidy in the form of housing. Raising kids alone is hard enough, and much harder when you have to pay for two on the income of one.
Tax that singles pay will ultimately be returned when they do get married and receive a subsidy. Further, while they remain single - rather than not seek out a soulmate (hey no free lunch in the world, especially not one delivered right to your door), they could make use of SDU services (which is again funded by the taxes they pay). If the choice to remain single is because he/she enjoys the freedom blah blah blah, then again, no reason why govt should subsidize when, let me stress, that person would have less to pay than most.
Single parents pay for their taxes, but they have the additional burden of dependents. Singles on the other hand .. I don't see how you can possibly consciously say "singles have it harder" - like HOW !? distinguish between single parents with a one income, two mouths to feed + all the misc. expenses of having a kid blah blah blah.
I recognise that singles have liabilities (study debt etc) as well, but that pales in comparison to most single parents/snr citizens etc. - they have the same as you do (in different forms) plus the additional liabilities that you will never have.
Alot of examples quoted by the other forumers go to the extremes of Singapore (e.g. falling out with parents). Which is why I acknowledge there must be some discretion in granting relief. But the general consensus should, and should always be, that singles do not DESERVE as much relief as single parents or others more needy.
I believe you'll be hard pressed to find reasons why singles deserve a housing subsidy more than parents/families/senior citizens.
On a final note, as you said, "If you cannot survive or barely survive on your means, why should the governement use your money to give to others who can survive" - two things:
1) The govt is not giving money to those who can survive - I don't know how you ever came to the conclusion that single parents/snr citizens are more adapt at "surviving" than you, as a young single.
2) If you can barely survive on your income right now, do not live beyond your means and want to move out. You will go bankrupt.
If people can find their soul mates, how many do you think will choose freedom over soulmate? -
If you are running a nation, you have to take care of your people. You cannot oppress even a minority, cos if that happens, there will be social disorders.Originally posted by fishiotherapy:Okay, bad me... wrong analogy Put it this way; if you run a nation, would you give perks to encourage pro-creation or to those 'dead ends' like us? In a perfect world, all of us wud be equal, but where shall the $ come from? Another round of GST increase? Are we prepare to pay 30-40% personal income tax to have extra perks like oz? We have to be careful of what we wish for, we could really get 'it' . Perhaps a more transparent expenditure on chenghu annual budget may help all to see the problem. We cant solve problems without identifying them. -
x2Originally posted by the Bear:companies and corporations are a totally different kettle of fish from affairs of the heart...
the mind commands the body, and the body obeys
the mind commands itself, and finds resistance
the mind commands the heart, and finds rebellion -
its a vicious cycle.
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If it is Singapore based guild, tendancy to meet up is extremely highOriginally posted by the Bear:that'll be dependent on the guild right?
what if the guild was made up of people who don't meet up.. because it seems like they did
My guild has it's share of outings too -
And predictableOriginally posted by mistyblue:its a vicious cycle.
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this can be a double edge sword. If singles are allow to buy their own flat at 30, it will create a surge in demand for flat which will bring the price for flat even most costly. A rise in housing cost will then put pressure on married couples who intend to start a family.Originally posted by shinta:at the very least, reduce the age to 30 or sth.. and not 35..
and from what i heard (again) unwed mothers have to wait till 35 before they can get their own place -
With the oversupply of HDB flats in singapore for the longest time, im not sure if there would be an impact (even if there is, would the impact be felt) on the demand for flats even if they reduce the age requirement to 30 years old.Originally posted by Gazelle:this can be a double edge sword. If singles are allow to buy their own flat at 30, it will create a surge in demand for flat which will bring the price for flat even most costly. A rise in housing cost will then put pressure on married couples who intend to start a family. -
any increase in demand will definitely have an impact of the pricing. Moreover the over supply situation is in certain area, not island wide. Suppose if they allow, then are they suppose to also entile the subsidize given for first timer?Originally posted by blu_sky:With the oversupply of HDB flats in singapore for the longest time, im not sure if there would be an impact (even if there is, would the impact be felt) on the demand for flats even if they reduce the age requirement to 30 years old.
I am just wondering, what will happen if 2 singles who have bought their HDB flat seperately and then decided to get married? -
If 2 singles who have bought their HDB flat seperately and then decided to get married, one of them will have to sell his/her flat.Originally posted by Gazelle:any increase in demand will definitely have an impact of the pricing. Moreover the over supply situation is in certain area, not island wide. Suppose if they allow, then are they suppose to also entile the subsidize given for first timer?
I am just wondering, what will happen if 2 singles who have bought their HDB flat seperately and then decided to get married?
as for the details on this subsidies and that, i really think all these can be fine tuned after the big picture of non-discrimination is accepted and agreed on. -
Chalets every 1/2 year :3Originally posted by elindra:If it is Singapore based guild, tendancy to meet up is extremely high
My guild has it's share of outings too
This december will be our guild's 5th chalet outing le hehe
Movie outing every 1-2months, every now and then our guild will meet up for gatherings -
I dont think that is discriminating because if you have the means you can always buy your own private property.Originally posted by blu_sky:If 2 singles who have bought their HDB flat seperately and then decided to get married, one of them will have to sell his/her flat.
as for the details on this subsidies and that, i really think all these can be fine tuned after the big picture of non-discrimination is accepted and agreed on.
I doubt the government would give any form of subsidies to encourange singlehood. -
What is discrimination?Originally posted by Gazelle:I dont think that is discriminating because if you have the means you can always buy your own private property.
I doubt the government would give any form of subsidies to encourange singlehood.
In accordance with www.dictionary.com:
treatment or consideration of, or making a distinction in favor of or against, a person or thing based on the group, class, or category to which that person or thing belongs rather than on individual merit: racial and religious intolerance and discrimination.
By allowing married people or families and whoever, yet single out unmarried individuals who are below 35 years old disallow them to buy HDB is not discrimination? Excuse me?
Some people are single not by choice. I've a few female colleagues who are single, im sure they want to marry. Just that they couldnt meet the right guy. So you saying "sorry, too bad. you are left on the shelf, so you do not deserve a govt apt. worse, you are paid lowly, cant afford a pte apt, so you deserve no home." is that what you are trying to say? isnt that rubbing salt into wounds for such people? Where is our compassion for our fellow singaporeans? -
So singles who have no means deserve no home.Originally posted by Gazelle:I dont think that is discriminating because if you have the means you can always buy your own private property.
So why are you not telling people getting married, "sorry, no means why get married?"
What you stated above is discriminating itself. -
Then I think Singapore should stop imposing any age limit on clubs, smoking, alcohol, drinking, driving, fcuking etc.Originally posted by blu_sky:So singles who have no means deserve no home.
So why are you not telling people getting married, "sorry, no means why get married?"
What you stated above is discriminating itself. -
if you have children one day, is that wat you want for them?Originally posted by Gazelle:Then I think Singapore should stop imposing any age limit on clubs, smoking, alcohol, drinking, driving, fcuking etc.
Is this comparison even relevant?
Why argue for the sake of arguing? is that the best you can do? -
we've learnt that long ago so we don't bother anymoreOriginally posted by blu_sky:if you have children one day, is that wat you want for them?
Is this comparison even relevant?
Why argue for the sake of arguing? is that the best you can do? -
I'm new here. There is something new to learn everydayOriginally posted by the Bear:we've learnt that long ago so we don't bother anymore