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i never ever touch shark's fin but if its a birthday treat from the elders to everyone so that everyone be happy...i can't reject themOriginally posted by the Bear:ya don't have to be an activist or anythin'.. just be aware and do that little bit...
like cut up 6-pack rings...
click here for the sad consequences of being an asswipe => Poor Turtle
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even if its a wedding or anything, i dont touch the sharksfin.Originally posted by StarPuppy:i never ever touch shark's fin but if its a birthday treat from the elders to everyone so that everyone be happy...i can't reject them
i just tell the person that i dont eat such things because its cruel.
the older generation usually look at me like im nuts...
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Sometimes, being picky about food is good.Originally posted by StarPuppy:i never ever touch shark's fin but if its a birthday treat from the elders to everyone so that everyone be happy...i can't reject them 
My relatives know me too well, I say I won't means I won't. Well, there's always an excuse of picking up a phone call from a friend and you go out and talk for a long enough time and come back.
You can't challenge your elders, after all they are your elders. Respect must still be given. -
with due respect... i do not want to eat that shark cartilege because
1) it's cruel and inhumane to chop off the fins and then let the fish die painfully over days
2) it's chock full of mercury which will damage my brains and reproductive system so i'll marry some sleazebag not good for me and produce retards for your grandchildren..
3) you have all been conned and tradition requires thinking.. so think.
with DUE RESPECT...
if we do not question elders' stupid decisions, we do not respect them.. respect is when we ask, they learn about things and are willing to change for the better...
the fastest way to lose any respect is when someone is bone-headed stubborn over things which are dead wrong and refuse to change...Originally posted by ndmmxiaomayi:Sometimes, being picky about food is good.
My relatives know me too well, I say I won't means I won't. Well, there's always an excuse of picking up a phone call from a friend and you go out and talk for a long enough time and come back.
You can't challenge your elders, after all they are your elders. Respect must still be given. -
Save a whale, hunt a japanese girl!!
I understand hunting whales for tradition due to the elder japanese population desire for whale meat. But hunting whale in a bid to entice the younger generation into whale consumption its a bit off.
Evil will only prevail when good people say 'its only business'. -
did i say..i can't really eat shark's fin?
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It's not that I never asked, it's not that I've never said, whatever that I could do been done. The last thing which I have not done is to challenge them. To me, it's not respecting them.Originally posted by the Bear:with DUE RESPECT...
if we do not question elders' stupid decisions, we do not respect them.. respect is when we ask, they learn about things and are willing to change for the better...
the fastest way to lose any respect is when someone is bone-headed stubborn over things which are dead wrong and refuse to change... -
Yeah I saw the turtle video on Yahoo! news too.
Ah well, what I can say. I think I posted sometime back about them wanting to serve whale meat to school children so that they will get used to the taste when young. I think it was last month or something -
tradition... its all they can think of
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Heck, I'd eat it if it was offered to me.
The way I see it, just the act of eating meat(any kind) these days means you are participating in an act of cruelty to another living thing. Cattle and poultry, to meet worldwide demand for meat, are being raised under truly horrendous conditions, injected with a buffet of chemicals for faster growth, and to say nothing of the resources needed and the effect on the environment. There are some truly bizaro practices out there, like force feeding geese until their livers are diseased and oversized for french cuisine etc. These animals raised for food live short, stressful, terrible lives.
So it is a little stange to me, to see how people are selctively attacking shark hunting and whale hunting while ignoring the other issues. Why not be consistent and go vegan or something? That fried chicken you consume at a wedding dinner surely suffered as much, if not more, than the shark whose fin is in your soup.
So if I decide to avoid things like sharks fin and whale meat, I'd also pretty much stop eating meat altogether.
Just my 2-cents woth of opinion. -
The thing is, whales and sharks do not reproduce as rapidly as cattle, chicken etc and at the rate we are doing, we are going to eat them into extinction. That is from my point of view.Originally posted by av98m:Heck, I'd eat it if it was offered to me.
The way I see it, just the act of eating meat(any kind) these days means you are participating in an act of cruelty to another living thing. Cattle and poultry, to meet worldwide demand for meat, are being raised under truly horrendous conditions, injected with a buffet of chemicals for faster growth, and to say nothing of the resources needed and the effect on the environment. There are some truly bizaro practices out there, like force feeding geese until their livers are diseased and oversized for french cuisine etc
So it is a little stange to me, to see how people are selctively attacking shark hunting and whale hunting while ignoring the other issues. Why not be consistent and go vegan or something? That fried chicken you consume at a wedding dinner surely suffered as much, if not more, than the shark whose fin is in your soup.
Just my 2-cents woth of opinion.
To me, it's not so much of the cruelty of how they are killed....though they don't die as swiftly as how the chicken and cattle and pigs are slaugthered but more on the ecosystem point of view.
Actually regarding goose livers, there was something about it some time back but because it is a domestic animal, they couldn't rally as much support or something like that. -
I guess those Japanese are having a whale of a time eating those burgers
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av98m is right. I think we should be aware...
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Food for thought: The ethics of eating meat
The Straits Times
June 17, 2006
By Peter Singer
GLOBAL meat consumption is predicted to double by 2020. Yet in Europe and North America, there is growing concern about the ethics of the way meat and eggs are produced. The consumption of veal has fallen sharply since it became widely known that to produce so-called 'white' - actually pale pink - veal, newborn calves are separated from their mothers, deliberately made anaemic, denied roughage and kept in stalls so narrow they cannot walk or turn around.
In Europe, mad cow disease shocked many people, not only because it shattered beef's image as a safe and healthy food, but also because they learnt that the disease was caused by feeding cattle the brains and nerve tissue of sheep. People who naively believed that cows ate grass discovered that beef cattle in feed lots may be fed anything from corn to fish meal, chicken litter - complete with chicken droppings - and slaughterhouse waste.
Concern about how we treat farm animals is far from limited to the small percentage of people who are vegetarians or even vegans - eating no animal products at all. Despite strong ethical arguments for vegetarianism, it is not yet a mainstream position. More common is the view that we are justified in eating meat, as long as the animals have a decent life before they are killed.
The problem, as Jim Mason and I describe in our book, The Way We Eat, is that industrial agriculture denies animals even a minimally decent life. Tens of billions of chickens produced today never go outdoors. They are bred to have voracious appetites and gain weight fast, then reared in sheds that can hold more than 20,000 birds. The level of ammonia in the air from their accumulated droppings stings the eye and hurts the lungs. Slaughtered at only 45 days old, their immature bones can hardly bear the weight of their bodies. Some collapse and soon die, their fate irrelevant to the economics of the enterprise as a whole.
Conditions are even worse for laying hens crammed into wire cages so small that even if there were just one per cage, she would be unable to stretch her wings. But there are usually at least four hens per cage, and often more.
In such crowded conditions, the more dominant, aggressive birds are likely to peck to death the weaker hens in the cage. To prevent this, producers sear off all birds' beaks with a hot blade. A hen's beak is full of nerve tissue - it is, after all, her principal means of relating to her environment - but no anesthetic or analgesic is used to relieve the pain.
Pigs may be the most intelligent and sensitive of the animals we commonly eat.
When foraging in a rural village, they can exercise that intelligence and explore their varied environment. Before they give birth, sows use straw or leaves and twigs to build a comfortable and safe nest in which to nurse their litter.
But in today's factory farms, pregnant sows are kept in crates so narrow they cannot turn around or even walk more than a step forward or backward. They lie on bare concrete. The piglets are taken from the sow as soon as possible, so she can be made pregnant again, but they never leave the shed until they are taken to slaughter.
Defenders of these production methods argue that they are a regrettable but necessary response to a growing population's demand for food.
On the contrary, when we confine animals in factory farms, we have to grow food for them. They burn up most of that food's energy just to breathe and keep their bodies warm, so we end up with a small fraction - usually no more than one-third and sometimes as little as one-10th - of the food value we feed them. By contrast, cows grazing on pasture eat food we cannot digest, which means they add to the amount of food available to us.
It is tragic that countries like China and India, as they become more prosperous, are copying Western methods and putting animals in huge industrial farms to supply more meat and eggs. If this continues, the result will be animal suffering on an even greater scale, as well as more environmental damage and a rise in heart disease and cancers of the digestive system. It will also be grossly inefficient.
As consumers, we have the power - and moral obligation - to refuse to support farming methods that are cruel to animals and bad for us.
The writer is professor of bioethics at Princeton University.Originally posted by av98m:Heck, I'd eat it if it was offered to me.
The way I see it, just the act of eating meat(any kind) these days means you are participating in an act of cruelty to another living thing. Cattle and poultry, to meet worldwide demand for meat, are being raised under truly horrendous conditions, injected with a buffet of chemicals for faster growth, and to say nothing of the resources needed and the effect on the environment. There are some truly bizaro practices out there, like force feeding geese until their livers are diseased and oversized for french cuisine etc. These animals raised for food live short, stressful, terrible lives.
So it is a little stange to me, to see how people are selctively attacking shark hunting and whale hunting while ignoring the other issues. Why not be consistent and go vegan or something? That fried chicken you consume at a wedding dinner surely suffered as much, if not more, than the shark whose fin is in your soup.
So if I decide to avoid things like sharks fin and whale meat, I'd also pretty much stop eating meat altogether.
Just my 2-cents woth of opinion. -
I tried going vegetarian once. I lasted about one week.
Socrates wrote this about 2000 years ago:
Socrates: And there will be animals of many other kinds, if people eat them?
Glaucon: Certainly.
Socrates: And living in this way we shall have much greater need of physicians than before?
Glaucon: Much greater.
Socrates: And the country which was enough to support the original inhabitants will be too small now, and not enough?
Glaucon: Quite true.
Socrates: Then a slice of our neighbors land will be wanted by us for pasture and tillage and they will want a slice of ours, if, like ourselves, they exceed the limit of necessity, and give themselves up to the unlimited accumulation of wealth?
Glaucon: That, Socrates will be inevitable.
Socrates: And so we shall go to war, Glaucon, shall we not? -
I've never tried going vegen before....I don't think I"ll make it through the dayOriginally posted by av98m:I tried going vegetarian once. I lasted about one week. -
I was contemplating suicide by the fourth day......Originally posted by elindra:I've never tried going vegen before....I don't think I"ll make it through the day
Here's a bit more on the subject:
There are a multitude of reasons one may choose to either reduce or eliminate Meat and Dairy from their diets, not the least of which is health based. I will largely ignore the somewhat compelling issue of our right to enslave millions of animals to a putrid existence and spend only a little time on the tremendous burden our meat based diet places on the environment. Both of these issues are handled well in many books, perhaps most notably Diet for a New America by John Robbins whose life is an interesting story unto itself. Most people would be amazed when confronted with the phenomenal environmental cost of meat based diets. For example, about one half of our harvested acreage goes to feed livestock but for every 16 pounds of this grain we get only one pound back as meat. However, that 16 pounds of grain has 21 times more calories and eight times more protein than a pound of hamburger. Actually during WWI Denmark was cut off from all supplies and were forced to deal with the possibility of great food shortages. In response they opted to stop feeding the grain to their cattle and instead use it to feed the people. Sort of a mass vege experiment with about 3million subjects. During the one year of these tight restrictions the mortality rate from disease was by far the lowest in recorded history with over a 34% drop. Evidence abounds that longer healthier lives are had by vegetarians worldwide. Furthermore, the toll on our precious drinking water is tremendous with one pound of steak requiring 2,500 gallons of water meaning that just 10 pounds of steak is more than my entire household use of water for one full year. This ignores the staggering levels of pollution from both meat and dairy propagation that result in highly inefficient use of our resources.
Jarrod Jablonski - President, Global Underwater Explorers -
Oh, and hi Wanda, long time no see
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*envious*Originally posted by FireIce:im going to eat sharks fin tonite! -
Hi hi!Originally posted by av98m:Oh, and hi Wanda, long time no see 
Er...who is Glaucon? The know-it-all? -
Half-brother of Plato. His name translates into 'owl'