Public Transport Fares
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Their annual report is on the SGX website, according to dad.Originally posted by Redblood:since its public transport ...
should not the public know what goes on with the high turn over of the various transport companies in question?
their turnover nett profit are in the tune of millions per year?
public housing is under fire about the high prices and lack of transparency, time for public services to COME CLEAN? -
in oz, it may be true their public transport sucks, but the price of cars sure beats us many times over.Originally posted by SydneyLibrarian:Ok... I haven't been living in Singapore for the past 2 yrs to take the public transport that regularly, but what I can say is...
in every country & city, no matter where, you will still find people complaining about their public transport system.
When I was in Singapore, I'd complain about the buses & MRT - not efficient enough, too many people on board, too expensive, yada-yada-yada
When I came over to Australia, my oh my, the horrors of the public transport system over here in Sydney!
Peak hour trains come every 20 mins, off peak period trains can take up to an hour to arrive. Added to that, the trains are really old (and I mean, like 20 y.o. for some of them!), non-air conditioned for some of them, and soooo crowded. And the expense! Wahh... costs me A$36 per week just to travel from my place to city & back! Buses can be even more expensive 
Eh... so the point I'm trying to make is, that you have to experience life in a different city to know that Sg public transport system & its costs aren't really that bad lah.. to me, anyway.
i have been to european countries, sure public transport fares are in the range of 3-8 euros, but their plus are cars, you could get a 2nd hand car for as low as S$10-15k. fuel prices are of cos killer euros. road tax and other vehicle taxes are similar to us. majority or rather all of the frens i know in europe drive cars big or small. one of them is a car mechanic, he even rebuild an AUDI for less than S$15k to put on the road legally. -
I know the WP's plan is very attractive, but their defination of 'not profit orieented" is neither clear
Lossing money and later simply using the reserve to balance of the losses can also be termed 'not profit orieented'
They want compeition. 1 day a service's ridership is fixed, adding a duplication on the basis of compeition sake just splits up the passengers and in fact, to 'create more jobs', they go head on and eventually since the cost remains the same, losses might end up occuring
Already svs like 242 runs at 2-4 mins frequency have to use high capacity double decks to serve, if the private operators just use their single decks, the bus will be having orgasm
Instead of completeing, can't they just let the pte operators to link the the places like pte housing estates during peak hrs where the long buses can't serve?
Dun just compete for the sake competing, just like the days where there was so many bus co competing for each other and only the popular rts was served
As for fares, the fare stages should be calculated on the basis of continous jouney and not the "Transfer rebate" system as far as talking abt bus rides or MRT to LRT transfers -
Their GST is not where as low as usOriginally posted by Redblood:in oz, it may be true their public transport sucks, but the price of cars sure beats us many times over.
i have been to european countries, sure public transport fares are in the range of 3-8 euros, but their plus are cars, you could get a 2nd hand car for as low as S$10-15k. fuel prices are of cos killer euros. road tax and other vehicle taxes are similar to us. majority or rather all of the frens i know in europe drive cars big or small. one of them is a car mechanic, he even rebuild an AUDI for less than S$15k to put on the road legally.
The govt has a way to balance the highs and lows -
so how much did they make? ...Originally posted by Kuali Baba:Their annual report is on the SGX website, according to dad.
SMRT made 103.6m profit after tax
SBStransit made 51.5m profit after tax
according to the SBS report, maintenance and staff expenditure has declined. fuel expenditure increased. SMRT did not explain details as SBS did.
with the above in mind, if the companies threw all the profit into transportation improvements, are they what the public really wanted? however due to the large number of shareholders, will the shareholders agree to the public's view. no more profit for shareholders = no more shareholders.
what i want is lower public transport fares, improved commuter ease of use (not the current stupid card). improved maintenance of the fleet especially cleanliness. due to imcreased fuel prices, i wonder who the fuk approved buses with such high fuel comsumption -
Do you know SBS has capped all fares for trunk and feeder svs to $1.90?Originally posted by Redblood:so how much did they make? ...
SMRT made 103.6m profit after tax
SBStransit made 51.5m profit after tax
according to the SBS report, maintenance and staff expenditure has declined. fuel expenditure increased. SMRT did not explain details as SBS did.
with the above in mind, if the companies threw all the profit into transportation improvements, are they what the public really wanted? however due to the large number of shareholders, will the shareholders agree to the public's view. no more profit for shareholders = no more shareholders.
what i want is lower public transport fares, improved commuter ease of use (not the current stupid card). improved maintenance of the fleet especially cleanliness. due to imcreased fuel prices, i wonder who the fuk approved buses with such high fuel comsumption
SBS introduced 24 new bus services last year, especially adding 100% more services to Bishan
Large number of shareholder? Can you go check SBS's cap capitalisation based on their last share trading price?
High FC? Buses refuel their diesel once they finishes their duties, simply because they are on the road the whole day.. Better maintenance, defintely it cannot be as good as cars as they are always on the road -
SBS buses damn dirty lor...I think they only sweep at the start of shift and end of shift...and maybe even end of shift one also dun have...Originally posted by Rhonda:Do you think this will happen? What are your thoughts on this issue? What improvements do you think ought to be made to our current public transport system? Are you happy with the current level of service? -
woo finally sbst comes in..
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$1.90 cap is meaningless to me ......Originally posted by sbst275:Do you know SBS has capped all fares for trunk and feeder svs to $1.90?
i need to do a bus-mrt-bus switch for work ......
why cant they cap my total end-to-end fare to $1.90
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with this, i think you will be in for a rude awakening when you go to melbourne...Originally posted by Rhonda:Thank goodness I don't take the MRT often, because I feel that the waiting time for the train during off-peak periods are now longer than it used to be.
Not just that, the MRT is also often crowded these days, even during off-peak hours.
I guess the situation might be improved with a higher frequency of train arrivals in the stations. However, I guess it's part of their cost-cutting measures to prolong the interval period between trains.
I've also noticed that during off-peak hours, the waiting time for buses has gone up too. Worse, for some bus services, the waiting time can be long even during peak hours!
If we're going to have fare hikes imposed on us, they'd jolly well look into improving the services provided to justify the hike! -
That's why I'm looking for accommodations that are within walking distance to my workplace!Originally posted by the Bear:with this, i think you will be in for a rude awakening when you go to melbourne...
Besides, I'm going to learn how to
over there. But not quite sure if I'll ever drive up to visit your sis cause I might drive off a cliff! I think I shall just wait for your sis to drive down to town instead.
Anyways, like I said before, we're concerned with the decline in standards here and we aren't interested in how our system compares with the systems in other parts of the world because we're living in the here and now. -
Aiyah, SMRT dun wanna implement the fare cap so what you do?Originally posted by InnoHippo:$1.90 cap is meaningless to me ......
i need to do a bus-mrt-bus switch for work ......
why cant they cap my total end-to-end fare to $1.90 -
Most of the times is because some irresponsible passengers eat in the busOriginally posted by Xcert:SBS buses damn dirty lor...I think they only sweep at the start of shift and end of shift...and maybe even end of shift one also dun have...
Some I can't blame like buses passing by construction site like at PLAB, Airport Rd making the bus dirty -
.Originally posted by sbst275:Most of the times is because some irresponsible passengers eat in the bus
Some I can't blame like buses passing by construction site like at PLAB, Airport Rd making the bus dirty
I have tao jiak on SBS buses before.
I eat bao on my way to morning shift because the shift starts at 7am and we're usually there at least 10 mins earlier, and if we don't eat b'fast when we're on morning duty and it's a long day, we might not get to eat till after 3:30pm or later!
I also eat on the bus, discreetly of course, when I've spent the whole day out and am almost fainting from hunger and the eating places are all crowded because it's meal times. -
When I was much younger, me and my buddies actually cooked on the top deck of double decker buses before, during long journeys. No I am not kidding. Jaw stove, solid fuel tablet, and mess tin.Originally posted by Rhonda:.
I have tao jiak on SBS buses before. I eat bao on my way to morning shift because the shift starts at 7am and we're usually there at least 10 mins earlier, and if we don't eat b'fast when we're on morning duty and it's a long day, we might not get to eat till after 3:30pm or later!
I also eat on the bus, discreetly of course, when I've spent the whole day out and am almost fainting from hunger and the eating places are all crowded because it's meal times. -
Originally posted by av98m:When I was much younger, me and my buddies actually cooked on the top deck of double decker buses before, during long journeys. No I am not kidding. Jaw stove, solid fuel tablet, and mess tin.
Those days the double decks was the jerky jerky British double decks!
Sit at the lower deck end seat, you butt will be roasted -
Originally posted by av98m:When I was much younger, me and my buddies actually cooked on the top deck of double decker buses before, during long journeys. No I am not kidding. Jaw stove, solid fuel tablet, and mess tin.
Peng Sanz! -
Originally posted by Rhonda:
Peng Sanz! obviously we did it on non-aircon double deckers, usually on the way to or back from Changi Jetty (where we used to take bumboats to Ubin for camping/hiking) -
Still!! Peng Sanz!!Originally posted by av98m: obviously we did it on non-aircon double deckers, usually on the way to or back from Changi Jetty (where we used to take bumboats to Ubin for camping/hiking) -
Cooked!!Originally posted by av98m:When I was much younger, me and my buddies actually cooked on the top deck of double decker buses before, during long journeys. No I am not kidding. Jaw stove, solid fuel tablet, and mess tin.
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Must be SBS Sv 2Originally posted by av98m: obviously we did it on non-aircon double deckers, usually on the way to or back from Changi Jetty (where we used to take bumboats to Ubin for camping/hiking) -
Exactly right!Originally posted by sbst275:Must be SBS Sv 2 -
That bus sv dunno been serving Changi Village to CBD at the decent least for dunno how many years! I think when there's SBS, there's bus number 2 alreadyOriginally posted by av98m:Exactly right! -
Been noticing as well that ppl tend to stand near the exit, leaving the back empty!
