any1 heard of I-Kuan Tao
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Hmm...some practices are secretive and are not openly revealed
Need me to twist everyone's mind a bit?
The topics will be hot like molten iron
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Wow attended the i kwuan dao a few times even participated in their initialization i think ard 6 time ba , din know got so many issue one lol . Oh well religion issue is always a hot topic for debating kekeke .
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I have went to their initialization some 8 years ago.
I cannot accept that by doing some prayers & mantras one can "Open" the "Heaven Eye".
I cannot accept that by praying to Maitreya Buddha will be gurantee to be re-born at the same time of Maitreya Buddha. It's takes many practices to be very very fortunate to see an Enlighten One. Many high monks of this age also need to practice thru-out their life. Praying alone I don't think is enough.
Their method of prayers much more like Tao-Jiao. Pretty different from Buddhist lineage.
That's one of my experiance which I cannot accept & keep it away forever. I really do not think/feel/react Yi-Kwang-Dao is one of Buddha's line.
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one of the i-kuan tao practice is egg is regarded as vegetarian food.
i worked in vegetarian restaurant before n saw my very own eyes how salad is made n see monks consumed it without knowing. -
wong fei hong vs I-Kuan Tao who will win?
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Originally posted by 798:one of the i-kuan tao practice is egg is regarded as vegetarian food.
i worked in vegetarian restaurant before n saw my very own eyes how salad is made n see monks consumed it without knowing.
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it's a joker religion la, with the secret hand sign and the "mother" chant, then there is this talk about the green and red Yang period, if u look closely, the whole basis is so shallow and weak, at some point in time they switched their story because some disciples start dying by accidents, which wasnt suppose to happen, hahahaOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Exactly
My taiwanese teacher say... where got religion say take oath thunder strike you one 
In Buddhism, we say we take Bodhisattva vows and liberate and save all sentient beings and attain Buddhahood 
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Kindly rephrase in proper English, I don't understand your post.Originally posted by Xprobe:it's a joker religion la, with the secret hand sign and the "mother" chant, then there is this talk about the green and red Yang period, if u look closely, the whole basis is so shallow and weak, at some point in time they switched their story because some disciples start dying by accidents, which wasnt suppose to happen, hahaha -
When I warn my friend that the religion at the 'Tian Guo Fo Tang' is not true buddhism, he does not believe me. How? I really want to save him.
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Dear Superstar,Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:When I warn my friend that the religion at the 'Tian Guo Fo Tang' is not true buddhism, he does not believe me. How? I really want to save him.
Ask him this 3 question
1.a religion that does not coerce or make death vows
2.a religion that does not have secretive aspect which can nver be revealed
3.a religion that based on goodness and freewill
tell him to ponder on this .He will leave that school when he realised it -
Thanks.
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just the name "tian guo fo tang" doesnt make sense already, "tian guo" is mostly used by christians or a reference to the tian "dimension" (liu dao lun hui), while buddhism is the way to break the reincarnation cycle into any of six dimensions, thus "tian guo" (which is still a state of unwakeness) has no business to be associated with "fo" (awakening)Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:When I warn my friend that the religion at the 'Tian Guo Fo Tang' is not true buddhism, he does not believe me. How? I really want to save him. -
Was chatting with laoda99 (a Christian from EH forum) on msn, who has some i kuan dao friends on his part.. and we agreed that we should be careful and tolerant, understanding of other faiths too.. as Singapore does have a sizeable community of I Kuan Dao. I Kuan Dao community are also truth-seekers and good willed.
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last time it used to be simple, the emperor preside over the debates of different practitioners and the losers get their heads chopped off, winner takes all and the whole nation follows, one true religion
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no doubt their followers are devoted to buddhism. but their practice might mislead many.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Was chatting with laoda99 (a Christian from EH forum) on msn, who has some i kuan dao friends on his part.. and we agreed that we should be careful and tolerant, understanding of other faiths too.. as Singapore does have a sizeable community of I Kuan Dao. I Kuan Dao community are also truth-seekers and good willed. -
let me present 2 schools of thoughts:
1. They all talk about being nice and care for all living beings, so they must be good.
2. The practice they preach screws with the spiritual health of their followers. Show me one practitioner of IGD who is documented to attain either "Jing Gang Bu Huai Sheng" like those in JiuHua Shan or can go into deep meditation for ??? days (master Xu Yun did in Thailand and even the highest Thai monk came and paid respect), or know in advance when he is going into pureland (http://file.buda.idv.tw/multi/WGXYZSZ.rm), or bones can burn into image of buddha (http://file.buda.idv.tw/multi/zrfljswsj.rm).
Personally, if I just want to be "goody good good", i join the boy scouts. -
Yes I do disagree with I Kuan Dao on many things. But whether it is harmful or not I think we shouldn't judge them as each of them have their own freedom of religion. After all Singapore law states everyone has religious freedom and we shouldn't defame them or cause disharmony.Originally posted by Xprobe:let me present 2 schools of thoughts:
1. They all talk about being nice and care for all living beings, so they must be good.
2. The practice they preach screws with the spiritual health of their followers. Show me one practitioner of IGD who is documented to attain either "Jing Gang Bu Huai Sheng" like those in JiuHua Shan or can go into deep meditation for ??? days (master Xu Yun did in Thailand and even the highest Thai monk came and paid respect), or know in advance when he is going into pureland (http://file.buda.idv.tw/multi/WGXYZSZ.rm), or bones can burn into image of buddha (http://file.buda.idv.tw/multi/zrfljswsj.rm).
Personally, if I just want to be "goody good good", i join the boy scouts.
If one day they realise it themselves that what they learn is NOT true buddhism, they will look into the True Buddhism. -
I think the "advertising" of I-Kuan_Tao as part of buddhism is misleading and that disturbs our Buddhist community. People should have the rights to understand the real things.
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Yes, as for this part, I think we have the right to inform others too.Originally posted by NUS_Superst@r:I think the "advertising" of I-Kuan_Tao as part of buddhism is misleading and that disturbs our Buddhist community. People should have the rights to understand the real things. -
Theravada - let them sort it out themselves, if still dont turn over a new leaf,
Mahayana - talk nicely to them, advise them to change their ways, if still stubborn,
Vajrayana - turn nasty-faced and wipe them off the face of this world, preempting them from further hurting themselves and send them to a pureland for purification.
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Hmm.. I am not aware that Vajrayana taught this way. Forcing others has never been a part of Buddhist teachings, that is why Buddhism is free from any religious wars.Originally posted by Xprobe:
Vajrayana - turn nasty-faced and wipe them off the face of this world, preempting them from further hurting themselves and send them to a pureland for purification.
It's a matter of skillful means. Whatever skillful means wouldn't work, it shouldn't be used. -
Utimately, it's their choice. If they want to practise what they chose to believe, they should have the freedom to do so.
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and this is also the reason is why some mistook buddhism as passive and pessimisticOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:Hmm.. I am not aware that Vajrayana taught this way. Forcing others has never been a part of Buddhist teachings, that is why Buddhism is free from any religious wars.
It's a matter of skillful means. Whatever skillful means wouldn't work, it shouldn't be used.
why bodhisavas must always be nice-nice? to those who are beyond the reach of reason, there are other ways to deal with them -
And are you saying we should force others to drop their beliefs?Originally posted by Xprobe:and this is also the reason is why some mistook buddhism as passive and pessimistic
why bodhisavas must always be nice-nice? to those who are beyond the reach of reason, there are other ways to deal with them
I understand what you are talking about, and I am aware that Bodhisattvas manifest fearful forms to reform sentient beings. My dharma teacher too does that in very rare cases before (maybe once or twice), although most of the time she is compassionate looking, masters does that (not only Vajrayana), and that is skillful means. Of course though, if in the process of scolding the student, he/she becomes attached and becomes really angry, then he/she is not a true master. Because a true master, whatever form he/she manifest, is always compassionate at heart. My dharma teacher for instance, while she was scolding her daughter at a distance, would scold, and turn back and talk to her maid in a perfectly cool and happy manner, and the maid thought she was crazy because who would actually be cool and next moment angry and next moment cool. In reality a bodhisattva is not at all angry or etc, when conditions are there, he manifest in an approapriate manner to treat sentient beings. There is no 'anger' involved.
Sorry, back to topic. Skillful means of course, implies, that it is linked to wisdom. Without wisdom how can you have skillful means? Without wisdom, action is unskillful. Skillful means like wrathful form definitely works when a student has committed an offense against precepts, or in any way, having shown imperfectness that needs to be 'reformed', or his ego is too big, he needs someone to give him a scolding. Ego can serve as an obstruction from attainment. True masters doesn't need to be nice, he/she can be the ego's nightmare.
However, that is definitely not the way to be used to deal with people from lets say.. I Kuan Dao. That would be the most unskillful means. That is definitely not going to work for trying to bring across the message of Buddhism to someone who hasn't even stepped into Buddhism. But rather, that would certainly scare them away. That is equated to hard core evangelism and the kind of fundamentalistic extremist sort of behavior. The kind of people that everyone resent very much. Religious freedom and tolerance is a very very basic thing, something that even God-based religions like Islam or Christianity has adopted. Few days ago, I was discussing this video with my friend: I Am A God Warrior!!! Really crazy. If people do not tolerate other people's beliefs, then the world will be a terrible place to live in. Don't forget that some fundamentalistic Christians, Muslims, also think that Buddhism destroys the spiritual health of their followers, and employ extremistic means of converting others. That is why we have hard core evangelists and terrorists. I believe everyone should exercise their spirit of inquiry and free will in regards to matters like Religion.
This is definitely against Buddhism's spirit of free inquiry. All we can do is to promote Buddhism through teaching, not forceful methods that other religions have used. I do not believe Buddhism is pessimistic and passive, because Buddhism (at least recently) has been doing a lot to educate people of the teachings of Buddhism. But to spread our teachings through force is another extreme. Remember the teaching of Buddha, "Middle-way". -
By the way, this video is real. It is from a reality show.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Marguerite professes to be a fundamentalist Christian, and traded homes with a New Age humanist, Jeanne D'Amico Flisher, from Boxborough, Massachusetts. Many viewers were taken aback by Marguerite's erratic behavior, vociferous attitude, yelling, unexplained vomiting and continuous proselytization.