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Before i procede...what is ur highest level of education....by ur knowledge ...i dun believe u r a postgraduate. Becoz if u can call me dumb...u shd have a solid foundation of knowledge. And i also don't believe that u r majoring in material or engineering course. What the HECK??? Since when i mention about properties???? Properties is a macroscopic term. I just..JUST mention 3 phases co-existing. Dun misinterpete with properties. From my arguement...i view that water is like god. If he wans to be presence as father, son or holy spirit...is like water present itself in different phases. And if father and son and holy spirit exist at the same time...i try to tell u that solid , liquid and gas of H20 can also exist at the same time given the exact temperature and pressure. do u know that??
I say your statement is dumb. And frankly, your conclusion tat I am not from an engineering or material course or tat I am not a postgraduate is wrong. Wat is your definition of properties ? Isn't whether a material is in solid or liquid form a property ? Isn't the triple point of the material property ? U don't know wat is property ? Wat do u mean by property is a macroscopic term ? Who tell tat to u ? Tat is so completely wrong ! Even a single atom exhibit certain properties !
Property:
A characteristic trait or peculiarity, especially one serving to define or describe its possessor
A characteristic attribute possessed by all members of a class
In short, properties is another meaning for characteristics ! A triple point is a property of the material ! Why don't u go and ask around if the triple point is one of its properties. It is unique, and can only be achieve at a certain temperature and pressure. U don't know about science do u ? I thought in primary schools one already know enough english to know wat is properties.
Wat is the point of u telling me tat H2O can exhibits being a liquid, solid or gas ? I am telling u tat these form is not mutually exclusive. U don't even need to mention the triple point. There exists a line of variation in pressure and temperature where H2O can exists as water-gas, solid-liquid etc at the same time. It is not mutually exclusive ! An object can be liquid or solid at the same time. U can even say tat an object can be green or red at the same time too. It is possible !
But Father and son is different ! It is mutually exclusive ! U cannot become your own father ! R u your own father ? Can u become your grandmother ? U can't ! Just because water can exists as liquid, solid or gas, doesn't mean u can become your father ! Just because water, in fact iron or mercury watever can become a water, solid and gas at the same time, does it means u can become your ancestors ? Just because carbon can exists as diamond and graphite, can u make your left hand can become a right hand ? U can't ! Wat r u talking cock about ?The last time i argued wif u about the creation of universe....i also told u that forces ( eg electrostatic force, magnetic force ) do not exist at the same time.
Tat is again dumb. The physics of force, magnetic, gravity and electrostatic is there. U can't see it just because there is no matter. Does the law exists ? No one can say it doesn't.
It is like u saying there is no gravity just because it is almost negligible in deep space. The law is there, and u can only feel it when u r near an object with a large mass. Same as electrostatic force before the big bang. The theoretical law is there. It is just tat u do not have an object tat uses tis law doesn't means it do not exists. It is a theory tat an object of 9 dimensions create the whole universe. How do u know if this "9 dimensions" thing do not practise laws of electrostatic, magnetism etc ?I think u need to brush up ur science b4 u could argue. Checking in the internet and trying to understand such terms in a short time wouldnt help.
u don't even know wat is property ! U can even say it is associated with macroscopic object ! Even my grandather know wat is property!! Am I arguing with a kid ? -
Pls lah..u think i do not know what property of a material is? ..Let me highlight to u something ok.... This is how u present ur argument right....i nvr change a word ok....
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In case if u dont know...each element or compound have a triple point or euthetic point. Where by different phases can occur at the same time. Steel have authesitic, martensitic, bainite..and all kind of phases. To keep u simple..water can be solid, liquid and gas...but no matter what FORM they are in....are the water??? are they H2O? So..if something so simple can exist in 3 state...y not GOD?
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Tat is dumb. Material is able to hold both properties at the same time. U might as well say a your bag is red and white at the same time, not completely red or white which is possible. For father and son, it is a property which is mutually exclusive. U can not hold both properties at the same time. ( again u mention it for the second time)
Now..my question back to u is...since when i mention about material is able to hold both properties at the same time???? i guess u super misinterprete what i say. Dont try to be smart and lecture me of what property. I am talking about phases. Phases of water. Of coz triple point is a property of water...but i am not concern about what is the property of water when it is at triple point...i am ARGUING wif u about the PHASES at triple point ok...and i DIDNT mention anything about material is able to hold both properties. Are u trying to correct something that i didnt mention??? or acting smart?? and trying to be more macho as if i dunno what is property of a material. What i am trying to tell u that property is a macroscopic term...is that at triple point...the property of the material cannot be consider as a solid, liquid nor a gas. U must view it macroscopicly. Therfore...My arguement about triple point is all related to the phase that exist at that time..and NOT the property of the water at triple point.
So..about the Schrodinger Cat...u got nothing to say right. U know u make a fool out of urself of ur previous statement
and ur last reply u said "U can even say tat an object can be green or red at the same time too. It is possible ! "...contradicting to ur own previous statement??? hmmmm....
" U might as well say a your bag is red and white at the same time, not completely red or white which is possible. For father and son, it is a property which is mutually exclusive. U can not hold both properties at the same time. A father has a child, and tis child cannot be his own father. It is mutually exclusive. It is like u only have a hand. It can either be a left hand or right hand, and not a left AND right hand. If there is a left AND right hand it just meant u have 2 hands isn't it ? How can it become 1 hand ? Doesn't tat sounds like a contradiction or a lie ? Either your waistline is fatter than 30 cm or thinner than 30 cm. It cannot be fatter and thinner than 30 cm at the same time. If u say it is fatter and thinner than 30 cm at the same time" ....
Ok..u keep on saying that The Father and Son are mutually exclusive...let me tell u something very important from the bible...They are ONE..1, ONE. Have u seen God? Have u perform experiment on Him?? So ...this statement do not work for believers of Christ. There is only 1 God..not 3 ...
Quote: Tat is again dumb. The physics of force, magnetic, gravity and electrostatic is there. U can't see it just because there is no matter. Does the law exists ? No one can say it doesn't.
Let me tell u...it is only 10 -43 second after the birth of universe ...there exist a force call superforce. Some ppl predict that these force consist of the 4 forces natural forces.
Ok..i dont know why u like to rephase my word or sentence. I say the forces is not present. I didnt say the law that govern these forces are not present. Y do i say the forces is not present. Electrostatic attraction force is proportional to q1 * q2 ( q = charge)..when there is no charge...the electrostatic force is simply 0. Therefore..i conclude that the force is not present..same goes to gravitational force where F is proportional to M1*M2...so if no mass..u telling me the force is present??? I REPEAT AGAIN...i didnt mention anything about the law governing these forces..
Do i make myself clear this time. wow...so u r a postgraduate from engineering course....which uni.....NUS??? NTU?? ... i am from NUS..considering whether to take master or not. Dun mind telling me ur name if u r from local uni...then i willl really wish to have a cup of coffee wif u...although u bash christianity up so much. U know how many prof in NUS is a christian. ( include physics department)...so r u trying to say that thier understanding of science do not coincide with the bible???
We chrisitian ..not becoz of we dun understand what happen at t=0 during creation of universe then we simply put in a junk..that says..ohh there is a creator. ( u mention this b4..didnt u).
b4 anyone attempt to prove the creation of universe in a scietific term....we christians already have in our book of genesis that mention God is a creator. So now...ppl have already try to prove the creation of universe in a scientific manner, but couldnt explain what happen at t=0. So, for christians...what it says in the bible 2000 years ago fits in this missing piece, which is there must be a creator. Not...the other way round...not there is a missing piece therfore we say there is a creator.
U might be wondering y i wan to waste my time.."exchanging idea " wif u...i am infact very occupy. It is because...u r "attacking" my God...my Father, my life giver and my strength. I can say to u, without Him..there will be no me. If He grants me wisdom as a gift, I will not put it in vain. As a son....for not respecting his own parents is the greatest failure of his life. Therfore..our 3rd commandment, is to Honour thy father and thy mother. If u r so famous for treating the society with full of care, and one day the society notice that u r not a fillial son..do u think that they will still look up on u? How could u turn against someone WHO GIVES U LIFE. -
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Pls lah..u think i do not know what property of a material is? ..Let me highlight to u something ok.... This is how u present ur argument right....i nvr change a word ok....
Of course u do not know about properties ! Read back wat u have written before !
Since when i mention about properties???? Properties is a macroscopic term.
WHEN HAS PROPERTIES EVER BE ASSOCIATED WITH MACROSCOPIC TERM ???!??! U can't use it on microscopic object ? Hydrogen molecule have no properties ? Electrons have no properties ? Wat is the difference between an electron and a hydrogen molecule then ? Com'on, u r just plain ignorant !
Tat is dumb. Material is able to hold both properties at the same time. U might as well say a your bag is red and white at the same time, not completely red or white which is possible. For father and son, it is a property which is mutually exclusive. U can not hold both properties at the same time. ( again u mention it for the second time)
I have replied tis before. U never say about properties before, but does tat means I CANNOT START TO SAY ABOUT PROPERTIES NOW ? Wat is the properties of H2O at triple point ? It can be a solid, liquid or gas isn't it ? U can called them "phases", u can called them having tis "characteristic", u can use the term "behavior" instead, u can say they have 3 "states", or u can say it have these "properties" ! Wat physical state a material is by itself is a property isn't it ? Wat is wrong with using ANY OF THESE WORDINGS ? I am saying it is NOT UNUSUAL for matter to exhibit both STATES at the same time ! Therefore it is not unusual for them to hold both properties at the same time ! BUT IT IS REALLY UNUSUAL AND IMPOSSIBLE TO SEE A FATHER BEING ITS OWN SON. There r a lot of properties tat can be concurrent at the same time, such as the same object ha both the color of white and red. Wat is wrong with using tis comparison ? Just because all elements exhibits 2 states at a specified temperature and pressure doesn't mean tat u can be a father and son at the same time. Just because your bag can be white and red at the same time doesn't mean u have can have 2 heads and think u r great in science and english. I am telling u I can't see a connection here ! Unless u r teling me god is nothing but water, jesus is nothing but an ice cube while holy spirit is nothing but water vapour, then does it ever made sense ! Otherwise u r really just talking cock here ! U find anything wrong with tat statement ?What i am trying to tell u that property is a macroscopic term...is that at triple point...the property of the material cannot be consider as a solid, liquid nor a gas. U must view it macroscopicly.
Whether u view it from a MACROSCOPIC or MICROSCOPIC angle, it still simply meant the property of a material is a solid, liquid or gas ! from a miscoscopic view, each molecule can exists as a solid, liquid or gas in tis condition at some time. U can't fix it its states ! From a macroscopic view, some of the molecules in the sample is gas, some liquid and some remains as solid ! Wat is wrong with using property ? If I use the word, "behavior", "characteristic", "appear", "as if" etc, it is still all correct ! In short, u fail your english and science and u blame it on people !
Wait a minute... I start using the word sample in the earlier passage. I can't use the phase "sample" because u haven't start using it yet ? Tat is DUMB !So..about the Schrodinger Cat...u got nothing to say right. U know u make a fool out of urself of ur previous statement
Tat is funny, I thought Schrodinger Cat is applied to quantum physics. It is used because underlying the peculiar world of quantum mechanics is the notion that, under certain circumstances, matter can exist in more than one state or position at the same time. Tis therefore is applied to quantum physics itself.
So u r telling me your waistline can get to be above 30 cm and below 30 cm at the same time ? So u r telling me your left hand can become your right hand at the same time ? Can u do it ? Have u seen anyone done it ? Can u even come up with a model how can tat ever be achieve ? If u can't do it, then just shut up ! Why drag in Schrondinger Cat when it meant nothing ?!? Does Schrondinger Cat meant tat your left hand can become your right hand ever ? Does Schrondinger Cat meant tat your waist line can become above 30 cm and below 30 waist line at the same time ? U better go back and read about it ! Schrondinger Cat is telling people tat matter canot exists as 2 states at any one time. It actually run in line with my exlanation tat your left hand cannot be in another state, (right hand) at the same time. -
One can even set up quite ridiculous cases. A cat is penned up in a steel chamber, along with the following diabolical device (which must be secured against direct interference by the cat): in a Geiger counter there is a tiny bit of radioactive substance, so small that perhaps in the course of one hour one of the atoms decays, but also, with equal probability, perhaps none; if it happens, the counter tube discharges and through a relay releases a hammer which shatters a small flask of hydrocyanic acid. If one has left this entire system to itself for an hour, one would say that the cat still lives if meanwhile no atom has decayed. The first atomic decay would have poisoned it. The Psi function for the entire system would express this by having in it the living and the dead cat (pardon the expression) mixed or smeared out in equal parts.
and ur last reply u said "U can even say tat an object can be green or red at the same time too. It is possible ! "...contradicting to ur own previous statement??? hmmmm
u never see a bag tat is green and red at the same time ? R u color blind ? The singapore flag is red and white at the same time isn't it ? I never see a more dumber person than tis !Ok..u keep on saying that The Father and Son are mutually exclusive...let me tell u something very important from the bible...They are ONE..1, ONE. Have u seen God? Have u perform experiment on Him?? So ...this statement do not work for believers of Christ. There is only 1 God..not 3 ...
Tat is why I said jesus is a liar ! If he is just plain god, he shouldn't say he is the son of it ! Throughout the bible u can se him talking to god, and god giving jesus signs etc. He is giving people the impression they r 2 different things ! But they r the same thing ! Aren't he just acting in front of the people ? There is only one god, but they r different things ! Doesn't tat sound like a logical error here ?Ok..i dont know why u like to rephase my word or sentence. I say the forces is not present. I didnt say the law that govern these forces are not present. Y do i say the forces is not present. Electrostatic attraction force is proportional to q1 * q2 ( q = charge)..when there is no charge...the electrostatic force is simply 0. Therefore..i conclude that the force is not present..same goes to gravitational force where F is proportional to M1*M2...so if no mass..u telling me the force is present??? I REPEAT AGAIN...i didnt mention anything about the law governing these forces..
THEN U R THE ONE TAT HAS REPHRASE ALL MY WORDINGS ! I have maintain tat the theory of gravitational and electrostatic etc are ageless and it is not an object in the last posts in the old thread I made ! Why r we arguing on tis stupid thing is because I say tat before the big bang, these theory r already in existence and u r the one tat say I am wrong ! U say the theory come out only after the big bang ! Now u come around and say tat I change your wordings when u r the one tat doesn't know wat I am talking about ?!?! U r not just dumb and ignorant, u r also a liar or otherwise having bad memory !We chrisitian ..not becoz of we dun understand what happen at t=0 during creation of universe then we simply put in a junk..that says..ohh there is a creator. ( u mention this b4..didnt u).
Tat is the thing, it is not proven. u just say tat there is a creator and tat is it ! Wy should there be a creator ? Who create the creator then ? Why made a simple question becomes more complicated with tis answer ? Tis is not the solution to a missing piece ! It is not proven ! U can put anything in it isn't it ? U can put in a large aligator tat appear in time 0, u can say satan appear at time 0, u can say buddha appear at time 0, u can even say tat a twist in physics produce nothing out of something ! U can put any cock here u want u know ! it is not proven and talks r cheap !
b4 anyone attempt to prove the creation of universe in a scietific term....we christians already have in our book of genesis that mention God is a creator. So now...ppl have already try to prove the creation of universe in a scientific manner, but couldnt explain what happen at t=0. So, for christians...what it says in the bible 2000 years ago fits in this missing piece, which is there must be a creator. Not...the other way round...not there is a missing piece therfore we say there is a creator.U might be wondering y i wan to waste my time.."exchanging idea " wif u...i am infact very occupy. It is because...u r "attacking" my God...my Father, my life giver and my strength. I can say to u, without Him..there will be no me. If He grants me wisdom as a gift, I will not put it in vain. As a son....for not respecting his own parents is the greatest failure of his life. Therfore..our 3rd commandment, is to Honour thy father and thy mother. If u r so famous for treating the society with full of care, and one day the society notice that u r not a fillial son..do u think that they will still look up on u? How could u turn against someone WHO GIVES U LIFE.
I am occupied myself too. U might be wondering why am I wasting my time here with u. It is because the god u believe in doesn't exists. All the stuff u said is just tat your god acts as a psychology support for u. I am telling tis to u because I want u to be free !
Not respecting parents is a great sin. But then u cannot be filial to a non-existence person ! Someone claims u r his son and he doesn't give u any evidence for it nro appear in front of u before, then u must blindly respect them, even though they treat u like a slave ? U have nothing to say about god treating u lie a slave isn't it ? In fact u have nothing to say about a lot of points I have brought up before ! -
U r beyond help. anyway..i will pray for u.
My statement : Where by different phases can occur at the same time. Steel have authesitic, martensitic, bainite..and all kind of phases. To keep u simple..water can be solid, liquid and gas...but no matter what FORM they are in....are the water??? are they H2O? So..if something so simple can exist in 3 state...y not GOD?
ur statement : Tat is dumb. Material is able to hold both properties at the same time. U might as well say a your bag is red and white at the same time, not completely red or white which is possible.
then my reply: or this...i can tell u..YES it happen. In science?? Yes since u like science so much. I will answer u jusy by 6 words. Have u heard of Schrodinger's Cat?
then ur reply was : U can even say tat an object can be green or red at the same time too. It is possible !
then what i said was : So..about the Schrodinger Cat...u got nothing to say right. U know u make a fool out of urself of ur previous statement and ur last reply u said "U can even say tat an object can be green or red at the same time too. It is possible ! "...contradicting to ur own previous statement??? hmmmm....
" U might as well say a your bag is red and white at the same time, not completely red or white which is possible
what i am trying to proof is that...u contradict urself and hence..r u scolding urself dumb
dun wan to admit..nvm.
Wat is the properties of H2O at triple point ? It can be a solid, liquid or gas isn't it ? U can called them "phases", u can called them having tis "characteristic", u can use the term "behavior" instead, u can say they have 3 "states", or u can say it have these "properties"
If i ask u...what is the state of water at triple point...so will u answer it is hard, brittle, it is inert, and stuff like this??? No right. It is clear that the answer will be solid, liquid and gas. Now..if i ask u...what is the property of water at triple point...then yes!!..u can say that it is brittle..it consist of 3 states and what so ever. GET IT ??? U r making the situation worst. it is similar like I talk to u about car...u answer me back in transportation...and trying to teach me like car is a mean of transportation..like i am illiterate. goodness. I call u write an essay about car..i think u will fight back with teacher by writing transportation....and argue to teacher that car is a kind of transportation. I TOLD U REPEATEDLY that....i just wan to talk about the STATE of water at triple point...the WORD PROPERTY is TOO GENERAL AND WIDE. I scale it down to just the state of water at that time. Know my topic sentence and dun change it.
Faint la sia......call u right essay about car..u talk to me transportaion...then later comes in MRT, BUSSES...which i try to prevent..that's y i said i dun wan to talk about property in a macroscopic view. Sia...becoz PROPERTY is a too GENERAL term.
U had also mention that we christians waste time and money for goign to church and stuff. u had also mentioned about faith and ur opinion on it.
Let me tell u something...not only christians,..other religions in the world is also wasting thier time and effort. Building mosque, church, temple...give the food to altar and not for the poor in africa....ya..new point for u..waste food ..remember ya..new point for u.
FAITH...hmm..which religion do not require faith wan??? not only christian have faith in thier God right...other religion also right...tell me...which religion do not require faith wan..is it ur religion??
Waste time lah...no one could help u. U r beyond any human help...only God can help. Ya ...last question for u...u believe in spirits or soul?If no...hmm...nvr encounter one before..or being ignorance of the world around u?? If yes..ur life doesnt end after u die ya
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Why don't I do a better order ? U never put down the whole passage but the part which u r inbterested in. Why don't u read back again ?
How can Jesus be a son and at the same time a father. U know what is triple point, euthetic point?? heard of them?? want to argue in science?
Yah, I know the triple point, but wat has tat got to do with jesus ? I mean the triple point means a material can become a liquid, solid and gas at tis conditions... wat has it got to do with father and son ? Why talk about property of material to relationship ? Frankly I see little or no connections AT ALL.
In case if u dont know...each element or compound have a triple point or euthetic point. Where by different phases can occur at the same time. Steel have authesitic, martensitic, bainite..and all kind of phases. To keep u simple..water can be solid, liquid and gas...but no matter what FORM they are in....are the water??? are they H2O? So..if something so simple can exist in 3 state...y not GOD?
Tat is dumb. Material is able to hold both properties at the same time. U might as well say a your bag is red and white at the same time, not completely red or white which is possible. For father and son, it is a property which is mutually exclusive. U can not hold both properties at the same time. A father has a child, and tis child cannot be his own father. It is mutually exclusive. It is like u only have a hand. It can either be a left hand or right hand, and not a left AND right hand. If there is a left AND right hand it just meant u have 2 hands isn't it ? How can it become 1 hand ? Doesn't tat sounds like a contradiction or a lie ? Either your waistline is fatter than 30 cm or thinner than 30 cm. It cannot be fatter and thinner than 30 cm at the same time. If u say it is fatter and thinner than 30 cm at the same time, it can only meant u r measuring different part of your body using different measurement system or on different people isn't it ?
About your cat thingy, tis is wat u r trying to reply first in your post on 09 September 2004 · 11:17 PM. Please TAKE NOTE of wat your cat is meant to reply first.
It is mutually exclusive. It is like u only have a hand. It can either be a left hand or right hand, and not a left AND right hand. If there is a left AND right hand it just meant u have 2 hands isn't it ? How can it become 1 hand ? Doesn't tat sounds like a contradiction or a lie ? Either your waistline is fatter than 30 cm or thinner than 30 cm. It cannot be fatter and thinner than 30 cm at the same time. If u say it is fatter and thinner than 30 cm at the same time
for this...i can tell u..YES it happen. In science?? Yes since u like science so much. I will answer u jusy by 6 words. Have u heard of Schrodinger's Cat?
Now I am asking u, U R TELLING ME YOUR WAISTLINE CAN BE FATTER AND THINNER THAN 30 CM AT THE SAME TIME and YOUR LEFT HAND CAN BECOME YOUR RIGHT INSTANTLY ? Tat can happen ? U ever know anything about science ?!?!? I thought even a kid know it is impossible ! Opps, I forgot u r someone who do not know wat is the meaning of properties and u like to lie about your ignorance on how ageless theories r.
FYI, I have given an answer on your cat, and IT IS USED TO TELL PEOPLE THE CONCLUSION QUANTUM PHYSICS OF A MATTER EXISTING IN 2 STATES IS WRONG ! A CAT CANNOT BE BOTH DEAD AND ALIVE AT THE SAME TIME ! IT IS SUPPORTING MY NOTION TAT A MATTER CANNOT EXISTS IN 2 STATES ! IF U DON'T KNOW ABOUT Schrodinger's Cat, don't use it !If i ask u...what is the state of water at triple point...so will u answer it is hard, brittle, it is inert, and stuff like this??? No right. It is clear that the answer will be solid, liquid and gas. Now..if i ask u...what is the property of water at triple point...then yes!!..u can say that it is brittle..it consist of 3 states and what so ever. GET IT ??? U r making the situation worst. it is similar like I talk to u about car...u answer me back in transportation...and trying to teach me like car is a mean of transportation..like i am illiterate. goodness. I call u write an essay about car..i think u will fight back with teacher by writing transportation....and argue to teacher that car is a kind of transportation. I TOLD U REPEATEDLY that....i just wan to talk about the STATE of water at triple point...the WORD PROPERTY is TOO GENERAL AND WIDE. I scale it down to just the state of water at that time. Know my topic sentence and dun change it.
When have I ever answer the water is hard, brittle or inert at the triple point etc ??!?!?! Did u ever ask about the state of water at triple point ? No ! And I am talking about the triple point itself too ! Why r u dragging something totally irrelevant in the above paragraph ?? Wat is wrong with u ? U r really illiterate, and u r now talking about a point which is totally off from any of my replies ! A prove of your illiteray is u don't even know wat is properties ! In case u forgot, i paste your all new famous definition of properties !
Properties is a macroscopic term
Wat does tat mean ! U fail your english, science, reading and honesty at the same time !
U want to talk about PROPERTY being too GENERAL and WIDE ? Who is the one who talk about the triple point first ? Wat is your pont in mentioning triple point ?!?! There r one million and one science terms and definition. Does water having triple point means u can be your own father ? Does graphite and diamond both from carbon means your left hand can become your right ? Does Iron having authesitic, martensitic, bainite..and all kind of phases means your waistline can be thicker and thinner than 30 cm ? NO ! Your stupid point of dragging in triple point SERVES NOTHING ! A lot of materials can exists as different states ! So wat !??! U still can't be your own father isn't it ? they r 2 different things altogether !Faint la sia......call u right essay about car..u talk to me transportaion...then later comes in MRT, BUSSES...which i try to prevent..that's y i said i dun wan to talk about property in a macroscopic view. Sia...becoz PROPERTY is a too GENERAL term.
Let me give u an analogy of your "triple point". I said tat John have legs (No one can be his own father). U tell me cars have wheels so John have wheels (triple point exists, becaue of tat u want to say one can be his own father). I say, MRT, Bicycle, trucks and trolleys have wheels (object can have 2 colors at the same time too, it doesn't mean anything), SO WAT ! The important thing is SO WAT ! Now u r arguing why am I using MRT, bicycle, trucks for example when u r talking about cars !!! I am tellign u, there is a lot of scientific thingy and the one example u give is totally irrelevant ! U don't even know wat u r trying to say and how dumb u actually sound !U had also mention that we christians waste time and money for goign to church and stuff. u had also mentioned about faith and ur opinion on it.
But they never FORCE 10% ! Buddhist or Taoist just give the amount they r comfortable with ! For christianity, whether u r poor or not, u have to give a significant amount ! Tat is dumb and rigid !
Let me tell u something...not only christians,..other religions in the world is also wasting thier time and effort. Building mosque, church, temple...give the food to altar and not for the poor in africa....ya..new point for u..waste food ..remember ya..new point for u.FAITH...hmm..which religion do not require faith wan??? not only christian have faith in thier God right...other religion also right...tell me...which religion do not require faith wan..is it ur religion??
Does othodox buddhist require faith ? The most important law they have is NOT TO FOLLOW their scriptures blindly ! Use their own logic and reasoning first ! Does christianity ask for tat ? NO ! THey want u to be as blind as possible !Waste time lah...no one could help u. U r beyond any human help...only God can help. Ya ...last question for u...u believe in spirits or soul?If no...hmm...nvr encounter one before..or being ignorance of the world around u?? If yes..ur life doesnt end after u die ya
I do not believe in spirit or soul either. Life end when u die. U watch too much horror movies ? -
Why are we talking about Buddhism in a Christian topic/forum?
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sigh..only Tru Peace bother to reply ppl like this. People like this doesnt deserve any respect at all. Why...becoz he first is not respecting other's ppl religion. And scold here...scold there. ...like he is damn smart...sigh...Dun need to reply him lah TruPeace..leave him alone. Let him start his own religion loh....sad to say this kind of ppl exist
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Read my earlier posts. There are.Originally posted by JWorld:Why are we talking about Buddhism in a Christian topic/forum?
I don't see any Christian talking about Jesus in House of Fengshui.
Anyway, why is there a need to discuss the existence of Jesus Christ or to give a critique every part of the Bible or 2000 years of history in almost every topic in EH?
SIS, I think its time to let go. A lot, if not all, of the people here do understand or at least know your stance and views.
Please do stop already, at least for readers sake, coz such discussion has been trashed out and flogged for so long. EH needs to move on with its original aims in mind anyway.
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I never really liked christ, christian are too self centred and tried to push their religion on you... did you ever see any monks knocking on our doors to "save us".... non believers wll never like it when somethings is PUSHED to them... you know just like pesky salesman.......
If God was so powerful, he could easily sent us a message if he really wants us to be saved.... if he is willing to 'die' for you, wouldnt he do that?
I AM sure that many of the so called CHRISTIAN have never seen god... Are they believing in something that they believe in or simply believing in something they want to believe in...... Do god exist? -
AND TO THE TOPIC>>>>>>> PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT HEARD OF CHRIST....
I AM sure that 99% of the people heard of him
BUT WHATS THE % that seen Him
IT should be People who have not seen christ............. HAHA
I cant see a hand up
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Hey dude...... when you brought a toyota for $10000 and i said that a ferrai only cost $500....... and you asked me why,Originally posted by JWorld:Why are we talking about Buddhism in a Christian topic/forum?
I don't see any Christian talking about Jesus in House of Fengshui.
nono, there is no why , just to let you know of a better deal.......
Yes you can still continue to buy your toyota cars with your money.....
INSPITE of a better deal out there........
JUST like Buddhism and Christianity.......
PS: I AM No buddhist and i also hate them when they burn joss sticks......
BUT their teachings is something to WOW about
I have to admit that churches look better then temple though........
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So many christians have never seen god?? u seen buddha?? u seen kuan yin??? u see money god? u see heaven god?? is heaven god = zeus?? So r u believing this guy call buddha become perfect?? then mother theresa shoud get nirvana too...he got his nirvana under the tree...any withness?? even Christ with 12 diciples u guyz also try to find flaw..now..he is alone under the tree...then...who saw him? is he walking around with his head glowing?Originally posted by SnOwFoxXx:I never really liked christ, christian are too self centred and tried to push their religion on you... did you ever see any monks knocking on our doors to "save us".... non believers wll never like it when somethings is PUSHED to them... you know just like pesky salesman.......
If God was so powerful, he could easily sent us a message if he really wants us to be saved.... if he is willing to 'die' for you, wouldnt he do that?
I AM sure that many of the so called CHRISTIAN have never seen god... Are they believing in something that they believe in or simply believing in something they want to believe in...... Do god exist?
pls lah...dun start a religion fight ok. RESPECT. u think stupidismart is protecting ur buddhist religion...he also mentioned that u guyz are wasting ur time and money for going to the temple. He dun believe in anything. he shows no respect to ppl..u wan to learn that from him? -
ello read the first post by topic starterOriginally posted by SnOwFoxXx:AND TO THE TOPIC>>>>>>> PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOT HEARD OF CHRIST....
I AM sure that 99% of the people heard of him
BUT WHATS THE % that seen Him
IT should be People who have not seen christ............. HAHA
I cant see a hand up
its on our ancestors, i am sure 99% of our ancestors have never heard of him... -
I think you miss the point of Buddhism. Buddha never say he is perfect. And the issue about nirvana and glowing head is unimportant, compared to the christian belief [to their grave] that Jesus is the Son of God, second person of Trinity and He died for our sins. The resurrection is of outmost importance as a historical fact compared to the nirvana episode under a Bodhi tree.Originally posted by AMD2004:So r u believing this guy call buddha become perfect?? then mother theresa shoud get nirvana too...he got his nirvana under the tree...any withness?? even Christ with 12 diciples u guyz also try to find flaw..now..he is alone under the tree...then...who saw him? is he walking around with his head glowing? -
hmm.... how come my topic on our ancestors and Christ has become nirvana and buddhism talk?
maybe it's an indication to close the topic?? (hint hint to moderators ) -
BEYOND BELIEF
PREFACE
The purpose of this book is threefold. Firstly it aims to critically examine Christianity and thereby highlight the logical, philosophical and ethical problems in Christian dogma. In doing this I hope to be able to provide Buddhists with facts which they can use when Christians attempt to evangelize them. This book should make such encounters more fair, and hopefully also make it more likely that Buddhists will remain Buddhists. As it is, many Buddhists know little of their own religion and nothing about Christianity - which makes it difficult for them to answer the questions Christians ask or to rebut the claims they make.
The second aim of this book is to help any Christians who might read it to understand why some people are not, and never will be, Christians. Hopefully, this understanding will help them to develop an acceptance of and thereby genuine friendship with Buddhists, rather than relating to them only as potential converts. In order to do this, I have raised as many difficult questions as possible and not a few home truths. If it appears sometimes that I have been hard on Christianity, I hope this will not be interpreted as being motivated by malice. I was a Christian for many years and I still retain a fond regard, and even admiration, for some aspects of Christianity. For me, Jesus' teachings were an important step in my becoming a Buddhist and I think I am a better Buddhist as a result. However when Christians claim, as many do with such insistence, that their religion alone is true, then they must be prepared to answer doubts which others might express about their religion.
The third aim of this book is to awaken in Buddhists a deeper appreciation for their own religion. In some Asian countries Buddhism is thought of an out-of-date superstition while Christianity is seen as a religion which has all the answers. As these countries become more Westernized, Christianity with its "modern" image begins to look increasingly attractive. I think this book will amply demonstrate that Buddhism is able to ask questions of Christianity which it has great difficulties in answering, and at the same time to offer explanations to life's puzzles which make Christian explanations look rather puerile.
Some Buddhists may object to a book like this, believing that such a gentle and tolerant religion as Buddhism should refrain from criticizing other religions. This is certainly not what the Buddha himself taught. In the Mahaparinibbana Sutta he said that his disciples should be able to "Teach the Dhamma, declare it, establish it, expound it, analyse it, make it clear, and be able by means of the Dhamma to refute false teachings that have arisen." Subjecting a point of view to careful scrutiny and criticism has an important part to play in helping to winnow truth from falsehood, so that we can be in a better position to choose between "the two and sixty contending sects." Criticism of another religion only becomes inappropriate when it is based on a deliberate misrepresentation of that religion, or when it descends into an exercise in ridicule and name-calling. I hope I have avoided doing this.
I would like to thank Moses Chan and Paul Teo, two devout Christians and good friends, for the hours of stimulating discussions we had on some of the matters covered in this book. We agree to disagree but remain friends.
A.L. De Silva
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There are so many research that Jesus stem from Buddhism, or Christianity is the mother of all religion thingy..
so who is right who is wrong?
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does aloka ever say anything that is not a paste?
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hope he show us some of his talent to discern stuff...
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ok i know i'm a bit off topic here but there are just a few things i would like to clarify...
firstly, we Christians believe in the Holy Trinity, which is 3 Gods in one. Upon stating this, i would actually like to say that using the example of water being a solid, a liquid and a gas is a bad analogy, because it can only be a solid, a liquid and a gas at any one time.
God is God the Father, who sent His son to earth as a man named Jesus. He was born from the virgin Mary, and is still the son of God. He is sinless and He came so that He can die in our place, as the penalty of sin is DEATH.
Then after Jesus died on the cross, He resurrected from the dead and appeared to His disciples. Jesus had conquered death. He has bought our death. So why won't you believe in Him and have eternal life?
Anyway, Jesus later on went back up to heaven to be with His Father, but that is not to say that His presence is not here on earth. He left His Holy Spirit here to be with us.
So through this, we get the Holy Trinity (three-in-one), God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit.
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No. I don't think he will ever come out with anything on his own.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:does aloka ever say anything that is not a paste?
He's forever off topic and nobody bothers to read.