Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
How can you know for sure that your soul shall be saved ? If not from the Bible....how have believing in God and christianity change your life ? You have any testimony to share ?
In the Gospel of John it is stated that those things which were recorded were for us so that we may believe and KNOW that we have eternal life. In other words, we can know for sure because God's Word is true. Sad to say, those who dispense with the inerrancy of the Bible cannot have such assurance.
Personally I do not have a dramatic testimony to share. Suffice it to say that being a Christian means to have a worldview that best makes sense of the world.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
In the Gospel of John it is stated that those things which were recorded were for us so that we may believe and KNOW that we have eternal life. In other words, we can know for sure because God's Word is true. Sad to say, those who dispense with the inerrancy of the Bible cannot have such assurance.
Personally I do not have a dramatic testimony to share. Suffice it to say that being a Christian means to have a worldview that best makes sense of the world.
Hmmm...okay!
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i just spoke to Brahma and confirm lah.........................
Jesus went to India and died there after the glutton ate 20 roti pratas and 10 murtabaks at one go......................
the Brahma told me the clown really thought he was a son of God...................
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the biggest con job
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Originally posted by lce:
the biggest con job
there are millions of people being conned and deceived and misled, what to do. this has been like this for the past 2 millenniums. generations and generations, not to mention future generations and generations. -
Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
there are millions of people being conned and deceived and misled, what to do. this has been like this for the past 2 millenniums. generations and generations, not to mention future generations and generations.A mere assertion unsubstantiated and unproven. Nothing to respond to because there is no argument made.
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So u guys still think that Jesus was a Hindu Monk ?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So u guys still think that Jesus was a Hindu Monk ?
Those who really think Jesus was a Hindu Monk would have been conned by those who are conning people with such an absurd idea!
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So u guys still think that Jesus was a Hindu Monk ?
Jesus was never a Hindu monk...............
but when he found out Nimrod, Mithra and more than 30 other ''savious/messiahs'' all have roughly the same birthday and other life facts as him..............
Jesus start to question if he was real or just a fictional figure...........
so he went India to commit suicide by gorging on roti pratas and murtabaks..............
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So u guys still think that Jesus was a Hindu Monk ?
dunno. but if this is true, the entire christianity beliefs will all come crumbling down.
the author from germany seemed to prove it with his hypothesis. now need historians to confirm or rebut his hypothesis. can test the DNA of the so called Jesus grave in India, supposedly buried there after his death there.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
dunno. but if this is true, the entire christianity beliefs will all come crumbling down.
the author from germany seemed to prove it with his hypothesis. now need historians to confirm or rebut his hypothesis. can test the DNA of the so called Jesus grave in India, supposedly buried there after his death there.
This Jesus in India idea is false which is why the entire Christian beliefs are still intact.
Even Bart Ehrman, who is not a friend of Christianity, says "Today there is not a single recognized scholar on the planet who has any doubts about the matter. The entire story was invented by Notovitch, who earned a good deal of money and a substantial amount of notoriety for his hoax."
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Muse over this: All teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Mohd and so on so forth are meant to be ''devices'' for ''awakening''. The words, stories true or untrue were meant for normal, ordinary people to ''hold'' on to them for just a while and while holding, explore and reflect on them and awake. Frankly, is that transpiring? One has to grapple with this - a ''good'' pastor, a ''good'' priest or a ''good'' ... would allow for the above and not make empty promises that only thru him/her that they can experience whatever that one calls - eg god, Jesus or .... these labels do not matter. They would guide and yet free another. Of course, if one is unfree how to free another? If one has not IN him/her how to give? One can be in bondage or one can be free. If that is not happening, then jolly accept that these so-called people wearing the cloak of religiosity have vested interests. In this instance, eg, Jesus uttered seek the kingdom first and all ... or something to the effect. why? probably, he noticed that everyone and everybody is seeking something else that is ''outside' first as opposed to being inner first and flowing to the outer from the inner. The ripple counts!
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Originally posted by Fugazzi:
Muse over this:
All teachings of Buddha, Jesus, Mohd and so on so forth are meant to be ’’devices’’ for ’’awakening’’. The words, stories true or untrue were meant for normal, ordinary people to ’’hold’’ on to them for just a while and while holding, explore and reflect on them and awake.
Frankly, is that transpiring?
One has to grapple with this – a ’’good’’ pastor, a ’’good’’ priest or a ’’good’’ ... would allow for the above and not make empty promises that only thru him/her that they can experience whatever that one calls – eg god, Jesus or …. these labels do not matter. They would guide and yet free another. Of course, if one is unfree how to free another? If one has not IN him/her how to give? One can be in bondage or one can be free.
If that is not happening, then jolly accept that these so-called people wearing the cloak of religiosity have vested interests.
In this instance, eg, Jesus uttered seek the kingdom first and all … or something to the effect. why? probably, he noticed that everyone and everybody is seeking something else that is ’’outside’ first as opposed to being inner first and flowing to the outer from the inner. The ripple counts!Who told you that the words of Jesus were meant to be temporary devices for awakening? Where's your basis for saying that? As far as I can see, none! Jesus said that the Word of God lasts forever. His words were not meant to be temporary. You are wrong.
Why does Jesus call us to seek first the Kingdom of God? Simple, He wanted us to put God first in our lives rather than to be fixated with our own needs and wants. Our physical needs are temporal, but only God can eternally satisfy our spiritual needs. And when we seek God first, God will take care of our needs in His own ways. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with your musing about inner first or outer first.
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you guys don't know geography. Hindu in india, so far away. Jesus in other far place.
You people really cannot be trusted, know how to twist things up.
Silly bo bo.
God bless you.
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Originally posted by TrueSon:
you guys don't know geography. Hindu in india, so far away. Jesus in other far place.
You people really cannot be trusted, know how to twist things up.
Silly bo bo.
God bless you.
I'm not sure was Jesus a Hindu monk. However, read the link below about 2 Syrian missionaries went to China in the 1st century showed that it is not impossible for people to travel to China or India during that era.
http://www.christianityinchina.org/Common/Admin/showNews_auto.jsp?Nid=304&Charset=big5
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Well, sheep bleats away, there is no dignity being the shadow of someone! There is no dignity when one tries to imitate the external of ''another'' without understanding the inner being of another. Fear beleis this stance: of always repeating and propping oneself up. Why, the beliefs that one holds onto are real for oneself, but sadly it is only in the mind. Existentially, it has no reality. The fear of one's sense of self that is attached to ... is being questioned, being challenged. Like I mentioned before, if i say, i m for eg. a Hindu (krishna), i will fear whenever one challenges the hindu scriptures or .. why? cos I am simply repeating the words or deeds, or expereinces of Krishna, it is not a reality for me yet n the possibility for being a reality is always open. I must be a hypocrite to go around simply saying that Hinduism is this lah, or Krishna is this lah. This is deluding myself.> If god can satisfy our spiritual needs, then he/she/it must be lacking, how can that which created man in its/his/her own image be or want to satisfy ...? Hence, the reallity is this - Most Christians are imposing theri own versions (aka bigotry/prejudices/wearing coloured lenses) and using that to justify what god/??? is or should be. Man created god or ..in man's own image or idea of .... is or seems to the living reality for most, for the intelligent wants i doubt so I am talking spirituality and u are mired in constipated concepts and worse is that u simply parrot Jesus, in other words, it may have been true/untrue for him. Till that is a reality within u in terms of expereincing ... all these that u seem to be regurgitating is simply psychological and a bit of social relevance. Social relevance only exists when one belongs in a club. Like minded ego-tripping ones would pat each other on the shoulder and it is nothing more than this - a mutual benefit scheme I always thought that I was being biased but now I know, that selective deception is awash here with every threat to the demise of the self!
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BIC Most question, certainly they do, but look for answers and ( nmost likely to reaffirm what has been told to them, answers derived from someone or a book or .... They do not question beleifs, traditions, so on so forth and why? There is another type that questions, – they question and NOT look for answers but reevaluate, examine and drop what is misleading or erroneous. The third type – simply being aware of …. , cos the latter is a synthesis of inner and outer (inner and outer) Hence, i reiterate one can be religious and gravitate towards being spiritual. Religion, most are merely pointers to being spiritual. Religion (all) is learning and of course, for the seeker the possibility of it as a device to being spiritual is there. For the follower, if one is sleepwalking – it is nothing but rituals after rituals. Spirituality is unlearning, not collecting, it is unlearning, a process where one unloads all the ’’rubbish’’. True or false all depends on where one is on the spectrum of learning/unleraning/relgion/spirituality It is only when one is being self-honest does it have meaning or will it make sense!
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
I'm not sure was Jesus a Hindu monk. However, read the link below about 2 Syrian missionaries went to China in the 1st century showed that it is not impossible for people to travel to China or India during that era.
http://www.christianityinchina.org/Common/Admin/showNews_auto.jsp?Nid=304&Charset=big5
Pinknutri, thanks but it is better to refer to the holy book, then some historian's record.
God bless you.
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Originally posted by Pinknutri:
I'm not sure was Jesus a Hindu monk. However, read the link below about 2 Syrian missionaries went to China in the 1st century showed that it is not impossible for people to travel to China or India during that era.
http://www.christianityinchina.org/Common/Admin/showNews_auto.jsp?Nid=304&Charset=big5
Even if it is possible to travel to India or China, that does not mean that Jesus did go there. There is no compelling reason for Jesus to go to China or India, nor do the Gospels hint of such, and there are good evidence to conclude that the Notovitch account was a money-spinning hoax.
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Originally posted by Fugazzi:
Well, sheep bleats away, there is no dignity being the shadow of someone! There is no dignity when one tries to imitate the external of ’’another’’ without understanding the inner being of another.
Fear beleis this stance: of always repeating and propping oneself up. Why, the beliefs that one holds onto are real for oneself, but sadly it is only in the mind. Existentially, it has no reality. The fear of one’s sense of self that is attached to … is being questioned, being challenged. Like I mentioned before, if i say, i m for eg. a Hindu (krishna), i will fear whenever one challenges the hindu scriptures or .. why? cos I am simply repeating the words or deeds, or expereinces of Krishna, it is not a reality for me yet n the possibility for being a reality is always open. I must be a hypocrite to go around simply saying that Hinduism is this lah, or Krishna is this lah. This is deluding myself.>
If god can satisfy our spiritual needs, then he/she/it must be lacking, how can that which created man in its/his/her own image be or want to satisfy …? Hence, the reallity is this – Most Christians are imposing theri own versions (aka bigotry/prejudices/wearing coloured lenses) and using that to justify what god/??? is or should be. Man created god or ..in man’s own image or idea of …. is or seems to the living reality for most, for the intelligent wants i doubt so
I am talking spirituality and u are mired in constipated concepts and worse is that u simply parrot Jesus, in other words, it may have been true/untrue for him. Till that is a reality within u in terms of expereincing … all these that u seem to be regurgitating is simply psychological and a bit of social relevance. Social relevance only exists when one belongs in a club. Like minded ego-tripping ones would pat each other on the shoulder and it is nothing more than this – a mutual benefit scheme
I always thought that I was being biased but now I know, that selective deception is awash here with every threat to the demise of the self!
Sheep bleats away because that's what they are designed by God to do!
God called His people sheep because He is their Shepherd, and the sheep is supposed to follow the shepherd. I've got absolutely no problem with that! And the Apostle Paul exhorted us to imitate him just as he imitated Christ. The goal of the Christian is to have Christ formed in him. We are to be like Christ. Again I have no problem with that!
You keep repeating about existentialism, what's your fear then?
And to say that God can satisfy our needs is to admit our lack, since when does this translate to God lacking anything? You are confused as usual.
You are NOT talking spiritually at all. There is NOTHING spiritual at all about your existentialistic musings. You accused me of parroting Jesus, guilty as charged! In fact, I would take that as a compliment to be accused of following Jesus than to be accused of following the world.
Last but not least, you ARE biased, just like everyone else. Problem is, you engage in too much special pleading by putting yourself above the limitations that you subject the rest of us to. Funny how you are somehow immuned to all those self-deception that the rest of us are.
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the fact tat we have needs for God to satisfy means we have lack...he is proposing the idea tat since God is the creator of everything then his creation shld have no lack...since we have lack, therefore God is himself lacking cos he cun create us lacking nth...i dunno if i interpreted wad he means correctly...
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Originally posted by despondent:
the fact tat we have needs for God to satisfy means we have lack...he is proposing the idea tat since God is the creator of everything then his creation shld have no lack...since we have lack, therefore God is himself lacking cos he cun create us lacking nth...i dunno if i interpreted wad he means correctly...
In any case there is no warrant to project our lack or needs onto God. -
2 sides of a same coin
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I m sure to exercise selective attention/deception if i Belong to a ''club'' cos that is the only way i can remain secure. The moment my sense of beliefs or .. is threatened, i will summon numbers to support my stance. Do u see a ''lion'' joining a club? Hence, it is easy to herd sheep and sheep follows blindly and for a human being (presupposing one knows what is dignity) it is no measure to sustain oneself or lean on something to prop oneself up. selective deception n not being self-honest belies fear and that seems to dominoe the psychological terrain of herd-mentality types!
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BIC, Being intellectual anyone can, just collect knowledge, regurgitate and repeat and cite sources. Intelligence is inner and that calls for self-questioning, re-evaluation and ... that seems lacking and sorely lacking in most believers!