Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Even the greatest buddhist scholars also can't explain fully what is karma....I think if you are interested in this topic, try asking the experts over at the buddhism forum....
I've explained it in my previous posts...can't go any simpler liao....Hahaha!
In Christianity it is taught that the infinite God cannot be known or comprehended, which is way God chose to reveal Himself to us in various ways, so that while we finite beings cannot know God fully we can know God truly in the things revealed to us. But who told you about karma since there is no self revelation from karma about karma? -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
But this begs the question, how do you know that emptiness is the way things really are?That was what the buddha taught and what I practice my meditation upon....emptiness is not really empty, becos its still has form....It's complicated....
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
In Christianity it is taught that the infinite God cannot be known or comprehended, which is way God chose to reveal Himself to us in various ways, so that while we finite beings cannot know God fully we can know God truly in the things revealed to us. But who told you about karma since there is no self revelation from karma about karma?The buddha taught us the things based upon our level of understanding....karma existed before he taught....if you know what I mean....I can't explain it in a more easy manner becos its not easy at all....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
The buddha taught us the things based upon our level of understanding....karma existed before he taught....if you know what I mean....I can't explain it in a more easy manner becos its not easy at all....
I understand that some teachings can be profound, but I also think that teachings should not violate laws of logic, as the test of logic functions as a negative test for truth. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I understand that some teachings can be profound, but I also think that teachings should not violate laws of logic, as the test of logic functions as a negative test for truth.What are logic thinkings then? What are they based upon ? Science? Maths, History, Geography, Bio, Literature etc ? Nothing (no subject) can fully describe what life is...seeing from different view points will have different conclusions....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
What are logic thinkings then? What are they based upon ? Science? Maths, History, Geography, Bio, Literature etc ? Nothing (no subject) can fully describe what life is...seeing from different view points will have different conclusions....
The laws of logic undergirds all reasoning. You would have to use logic to question logic. Even Buddha himself must assent to them and use them in his teachings. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
The laws of logic undergirds all reasoning. You would have to use logic to question logic. Even Buddha himself must assent to them and use them in his teachings.Precisely! Buddha taught us many things...one of it is to test/experience it for ourselves...not just follow blindly....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Precisely! Buddha taught us many things...one of it is to test/experience it for ourselves...not just follow blindly....
And one way to test a teaching is whether it violates any law of logic. Appeal to personal subjective experience is often not sufficient to persuade. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
And one way to test a teaching is whether it violates any law of logic. Appeal to personal subjective experience is often not sufficient to persuade.Lets say you found a passage in a fiction library book that said this:
"The sky is blue wherever you look up on a sunny day, therefore u dun need an umbrella"....
If some people treat this statement as true and believed it, are they being logical ?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I understand that some teachings can be profound, but I also think that teachings should not violate laws of logic, as the test of logic functions as a negative test for truth.I cant believe what I am reading here. then u think your god beliefs are not violating laws of logic? bloody hell If I am truthful, yes they are. unbelievable coming from a zealot's mouth having extreme right wing views.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
And one way to test a teaching is whether it violates any law of logic. Appeal to personal subjective experience is often not sufficient to persuade.well. prove that the earth existence is 6000 years and god created in 6 days?
unbelievable, the planet the size of earth was created in 6 days?
thats why you are contradictory. goes against the logic
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Lets say you found a passage in a fiction library book that said this:
"The sky is blue wherever you look up on a sunny day, therefore u dun need an umbrella"....
If some people treat this statement as true and believed it, are they being logical ?
I would say that the conclusion does not follow because I can still use the umbrella to shade me from the sun. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
I would say that the conclusion does not follow because I can still use the umbrella to shade me from the sun.Precisely, how we use and follow the words will determine the course of our lives....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Precisely, how we use and follow the words will determine the course of our lives....
Urrrr....that wasn't what I meant at all. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Urrrr....that wasn't what I meant at all.So what do you mean in simpler terms ?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So what do you mean in simpler terms ?
Simply stated, it does not logically follows that a blue sky and sunny day means you do not need an umbrella. For you can still use one to shade you from the sun. -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Simply stated, it does not logically follows that a blue sky and sunny day means you do not need an umbrella. For you can still use one to shade you from the sun.Yeap...you have a point there !
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
well. prove that the earth existence is 6000 years and god created in 6 days?
unbelievable, the planet the size of earth was created in 6 days?
thats why you are contradictory. goes against the logic
God even created plants BEFORE he created the Sun..............how smart is that ?!
Jesus did went to India..........he died of diarrhoea from eating too much roti prata and curry...........
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Originally posted by Susanteo2011:
God even created plants BEFORE he created the Sun..............how smart is that ?!
Jesus did went to India..........he died of diarrhoea from eating too much roti prata and curry...........
Uhh... I think it's about time that Susan gets banned for trolling her anti-Christian antics here.
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Why are you guys even arguing...
Science is based on logic and reasoning.... i.e. atheists
Religion is based on miracles hence it cannot be looked at logically.
how to explain to people about a religion if he doesn't believe in God?....Hahaha!
- sgdiehardThis statement is correct. The nett result is that Science cannot explain Religion and Religion goes against the laws of Science.
A favourite amongst Atheists : The words Why & How.
e.g. Why/How did Moses part the dunno what sea/ocean.
A favourite amongst Religion : The word Believe. He did I don't know how I guess you just have to believe it.
Do yourself a favor and remember this....Science and Religion do not mix and never will.
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Yes, a strong believe in any religion is essential for people seeking peace of mind....science can't give people that...
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Originally posted by Genie99a:
Why are you guys even arguing...
Science is based on logic and reasoning.... i.e. atheists
Religion is based on miracles hence it cannot be looked at logically.
This statement is correct. The nett result is that Science cannot explain Religion and Religion goes against the laws of Science.
A favourite amongst Atheists : The words Why & How.
e.g. Why/How did Moses part the dunno what sea/ocean.
A favourite amongst Religion : The word Believe. He did I don't know how I guess you just have to believe it.
Do yourself a favor and remember this....Science and Religion do not mix and never will.
Yes, science is based on logic and reasoning, but why say i.e. atheists? Are all atheists logical in their reasoning? The answer is NO. Do atheists believe in absurd things? YES.
You said that science cannot explain religion and religion goes against the law of science, but which religions are you referring to? Because it certainly does NOT apply to Christianity, which was the worldview that gave rise to modern science. And you probably don't seem to be well acquainted with scientific literature which are littered with the word "believe".
Anyway, your last statement has already been proven wrong by history as I earlier alluded to. It was precisely because Science and Religion (i.e. Christianity) mix that we have modern science.
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So many things science /logic can't prove and explain, eg. Love, compassion and forgiveness....so they dun exist meh...?
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How about enlightenment, afterlife and reincarnation ?
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ehhh...i tink God created light 1st before anything else even plants...somebody got the order wrong...