Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Lets say the physics laws eg. what goes up must come down....
And the Karmic law : Good begets good and evil begets evil...
You are assigning names like "law" and "God".... dun assign and your mind shall be free....
Its so difficult to explain to you becos u do not have the essential buddhist knowledge....sorry....I can't and dunno how to explain to you....Hahaha!
Demon Bane,
The laws of gravity are such because God established them and upholds them. That's why the universe is intelligible and we can go about our science and discover how things work, because God who is rational and orderly created the world to be such.
I am no more assigning names than you are in calling things "karma", "good", "evil". We should not despise the use of words, they are meaningful for communication.
I do have some knowledge of Buddhism, and there's no harm trying to explain things as simple as possible to the best of your ability. That's what I have been doing anyway for the Christian faith.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Lets say the physics laws eg. what goes up must come down....
And the Karmic law : Good begets good and evil begets evil...
You are assigning names like "law" and "God".... dun assign and your mind shall be free....
Its so difficult to explain to you becos u do not have the essential buddhist knowledge....sorry....I can't and dunno how to explain to you....Hahaha!
Your last sentence is interesting....how to explain what goes up must come down if one doesn't believe in gravitational force, how to show the beauty of a rainbow in the sky when one demands the proof that water can stay in the sky?
how to explain to people about a religion if he doesn't believe in God?....Hahaha!
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
The laws of gravity are such because God established them and upholds them. That's why the universe is intelligible and we can go about our science and discover how things work, because God who is rational and orderly created the world to be such.
I am no more assigning names than you are in calling things "karma", "good", "evil". We should not despise the use of words, they are meaningful for communication.
I do have some knowledge of Buddhism, and there's no harm trying to explain things as simple as possible to the best of your ability. That's what I have been doing anyway for the Christian faith.
Yes, Karma is a name also....we have to call it something....Hahaha!
No, I dun think God created it...in fact in buddhism, even God/Gods are bounded by karmic laws....I can't go any simpler than this....Hahaha!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
Your last sentence is interesting....how to explain what goes up must come down if one doesn't believe in gravitational force, how to show the beauty of a rainbow in the sky when one demands the proof that water can stay in the sky?
how to explain to people about a religion if he doesn't believe in God?....Hahaha!
That's why I've confessed that the concept of Karma is so difficult to describe, to study or to understand....Hahaha!
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Yes, Karma is a name also....we have to call it something....Hahaha!
No, I dun think God created it...in fact in buddhism, even God/Gods are bounded by karmic laws....I can't go any simpler than this....Hahaha!
But then you are saying that impersonal karmic laws are ultimate and eternal and permanent. But how does the impersonal give rise or cause to exist that which is personal?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
But then you are saying that impersonal karmic laws are ultimate and eternal and permanent. But how does the impersonal give rise or cause to exist that which is personal?
Its like this:
The law that says "study hard and you will pass the exams, dun do that and you will fail"...who decides whether you pass or u fail ? It can be your teacher, the examiners or simply yourself too !
Who set this law ? Definitely not God....but it is true right ?
I'm not implying that the laws of karma are impersonal. ultimate, eternal, permanent....I'm just saying that it dun bounded by it....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Its like this:
The law that says "study hard and you will pass the exams, dun do that and you will fail"...who decides whether you pass or u fail ? It can be your teacher, the examiners or simply yourself too !
I'm not implying that the laws of karma are impersonal. ultimate, eternal, permanent....I'm just saying that it dun bounded by it....
Demon Bane,
But the thing is that the laws of our country are the brainchild of somebody. The law does not literally say anything. People make up the laws and codified them. That's my point, laws have lawmakers and these lawmakers are persons, not things.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
But the thing is that the laws of our country are the brainchild of somebody. The law does not literally say anything. People make up the laws and codified them. That's my point, laws have lawmakers and these lawmakers are persons, not things.
I was like you once...until I truly learned how "not to assign names, values, opinions"....Hahaha!
I'm a buddhist by faith....and faith is not about having all the right answers....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Its like this:
The law that says "study hard and you will pass the exams, dun do that and you will fail"...who decides whether you pass or u fail ? It can be your teacher, the examiners or simply yourself too !
Who set this law ? Definitely not God....but it is true right ?
I'm not implying that the laws of karma are impersonal. ultimate, eternal, permanent....I'm just saying that it dun bounded by it....
Please read the above again...that law is not set by anybody....but its true....it has no beginning and no ending also....before I said that, it already existed....I can't go simpler than that....
Karma is as such.... -
Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Please read the above again...that law is not set by anybody....but its true....it has no beginning and no ending also....before I said that, it already existed....I can't go simpler than that....
do you think their replies are warped and illogical? If not they are diverting attention away from the question and they can go on and on. anything but the question. selective reading and replying isnt it
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
The laws of gravity are such because God established them and upholds them. That's why the universe is intelligible and we can go about our science and discover how things work, because God who is rational and orderly created the world to be such.
I am no more assigning names than you are in calling things "karma", "good", "evil". We should not despise the use of words, they are meaningful for communication.
I do have some knowledge of Buddhism, and there's no harm trying to explain things as simple as possible to the best of your ability. That's what I have been doing anyway for the Christian faith.
BIC
Please specify which God because it could mean Allah, Jesus, Jehovah, YHWH, Sikh God or Lord Brahma.
Or you mean God in general?
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
do you think their replies are warped and illogical? If not they are diverting attention away from the question and they can go on and on. anything but the question. selective reading and replying isnt it
The more you see, the less you know....hahaha!
No lah, I dun think they are like that...but people wanna win in debates mah....this is still a christian forum....so they are entitled to their own opinions and answers and facts lor....Hahaha! -
Originally posted by Demon Bane:
I was like you once...until I truly learned how "not to assign names, values, opinions"....Hahaha!
I'm
a buddhist by faith....and faith is not about having all the right
answers....
But I think you do realise that assigning names and values are essential to have any meaningful communication. Faith may not be about having all the answers but the answers must not be irrational or illogical, do you agree? -
Originally posted by BroInChrist:
But I think you do realise that assigning names and values are essential to have any meaningful communication. Faith may not be about having all the answers but the answers must not be irrational or illogical, do you agree?
Yes, we have to communicate....but when we are not communicating, we can meditate upon what we know, then remove all the labels, names, impressions, pictures, love, hate, opinions, values, past, present, future, logic, reasoning etc. We can see clearer the answers just emerge by itself....Of coz you must practice to quiet your minds....nobody can do that right away, need alot of efforts, becos the conscious minds are so irritating and prevents us from higher consciousness.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Please read the above again...that law is not set by anybody....but its true....it has no beginning and no ending also....before I said that, it already existed....I can't go simpler than that....
Karma is as such....A food for thought....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Yes, we have to communicate....but when we are not communicating, we can meditate upon what we know, then remove all the labels, names, impressions, pictures, love, hate, opinions, values, past, present, future, logic, reasoning etc. We can see clearer the answers just emerge by itself....Of coz you must practice to quiet your minds....nobody can do that right away, need alot of efforts, becos the conscious minds are so irritating and prevents us from higher consciousness.
Demon Bane,
When you remove all the stuff you mentioned above your mind will be blank, then on what are you meditating upon? Pardon me but it seems more like emptying the mind than quieting the mind. The Bible teaches us to meditate on the Word of God.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
When you remove all the stuff you mentioned above your mind will be blank, then on what are you meditating upon? Pardon me but it seems more like emptying the mind than quieting the mind. The Bible teaches us to meditate on the Word of God.
Hi BIC, for me they are the same thing...."emptiness"...the true nature of all phenomena.
Of coz there are other schools who taught on the meditation on breathing, focus on a point, a rhythmic chant, or in your case "the word of God".... -
Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Please read the above again...that law is not set by anybody....but its true....it has no beginning and no ending also....before I said that, it already existed....I can't go simpler than that....
Karma is as such....Demon Bane,
Are you talking about an eternal karmic law that exists as a brute fact that is apparently impersonal and possesses no mind of its own, but yet could somehow bring to existence the material universe and life therein, and then judge good and evil and dispense retributive judgement on evil doers and reward the righteous?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
When you remove all the stuff you mentioned above your mind will be blank, then on what are you meditating upon? Pardon me but it seems more like emptying the mind than quieting the mind. The Bible teaches us to meditate on the Word of God.
if you do not know what is meditation and pass off comments like this, you are just as ignorant and shallow mindeded like your good friend Rony Tan.
why am I not surprised with a xtian worldview
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Hi BIC, for me they are the same thing...."emptiness"...the true nature of all phenomena.
Of coz there are other schools who taught on the meditation on breathing, focus on a point, a rhythmic chant, or in your case "the word of God"....Demon Bane,
How can something and nothing be the same thing aka emptiness?
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
if you do not know what is meditation and pass off comments like this, you are just as ignorant and shallow mindeded like your good friend Rony Tan.
why am I not surprised with a xtian worldview
And you added NOTHING to my dialogue with Demon Bane. Please step aside, unless you have something to add besides your insults. Thank you.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
How can something and nothing be the same thing aka emptiness?
According to buddhism, emptiness is form and form is emptiness... u may wanna google for this....
色�是空，空�是色....Nobody can get it right away....It requires alot of practice and efforts....then u shall see things as they really are....
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
Are you talking about an eternal karmic law that exists as a brute fact that is apparently impersonal and possesses no mind of its own, but yet could somehow bring to existence the material universe and life therein, and then judge good and evil and dispense retributive judgement on evil doers and reward the righteous?
Even the greatest buddhist scholars also can't explain fully what is karma....I think if you are interested in this topic, try asking the experts over at the buddhism forum....
I've explained it in my previous posts...can't go any simpler liao....Hahaha!
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Its like this:
The law that says "study hard and you will pass the exams, dun do that and you will fail"...who decides whether you pass or u fail ? It can be your teacher, the examiners or simply yourself too !
Who set this law ? Definitely not God....but it is true right ?
I'm not implying that the laws of karma are impersonal. ultimate, eternal, permanent....I'm just saying that it dun bounded by it....
Please go thru the above again....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
According to buddhism, emptiness is form and form is emptiness... u may wanna google for this....
色�是空，空�是色....Nobody can get it right away....It requires alot of practice and efforts....then u shall see things as they really are....
But this begs the question, how do you know that emptiness is the way things really are?