Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
God exists way before man knows how to write, and man believe in God way before there was any science. at least you come to your senses that science cannot prove everything. Now get your timing and logic right, that is scientific.Please prove that
1. god exist way before man
2. your god is the one that exist before man, and not the other hundreds of gods
Well if you cant prove, you can explain sensibly, and with logic.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Moral yardstick? Like the Laws in all civilized countries?....We are only answerable to our own misdeeds...not others...
not trying to get in between your discussion with BIC on this subject. We are answerable to the local laws where we are. You can't bring fruits or honey from melbourne to perth but nobody will check you for taking some drugs around. In Singapore, you are free to bring in any fruits but if you carry more than 15 gm of drugs, you will be hanged. The countries set the law, and that is the yardstick on how far you can go, here is nothing fair or not fair.
You will also be answerable to your own conscience. Do you feel at ease if you steal from somebody? that is your moral yardstick.
There is also a higher legal yardstick set by government, an american company set up a plan in Vietnam, they will have to follow the pollution control yardstick in america AND in Vietnam.
Of course there is a higher moral yardstick for man going into eternity, that is set by God. In your case whoever in your Buddhist religion. The moral yardstick for religion and local government may be different, e.g. abortion is legal in Singapore, but it is against the moral yardstick set by God.
Ultimately, which yardstick will prevail, to whom you will have to be answerable? that is for man to decide.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Please prove that
1. god exist way before man
2. your god is the one that exist before man, and not the other hundreds of gods
Well if you cant prove, you can explain sensibly, and with logic.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
not trying to get in between your discussion with BIC on this subject. We are answerable to the local laws where we are. You can't bring fruits or honey from melbourne to perth but nobody will check you for taking some drugs around. In Singapore, you are free to bring in any fruits but if you carry more than 15 gm of drugs, you will be hanged. The countries set the law, and that is the yardstick on how far you can go, here is nothing fair or not fair.
You will also be answerable to your own conscience. Do you feel at ease if you steal from somebody? that is your moral yardstick.
There is also a higher legal yardstick set by government, an american company set up a plan in Vietnam, they will have to follow the pollution control yardstick in america AND in Vietnam.
Of course there is a higher moral yardstick for man going into eternity, that is set by God. In your case whoever in your Buddhist religion. The moral yardstick for religion and local government may be different, e.g. abortion is legal in Singapore, but it is against the moral yardstick set by God.
Ultimately, which yardstick will prevail, to whom you will have to be answerable? that is for man to decide.
sgdiehard
1. Yes we have to answer to legal courts and civil laws
2. But we dont have to answer to sharia law (islam religious law) OR biblical law (christian religious law), UNLESS you want us to be a theocratic society.
You know whats theocratics? Like Saudi Arabia?, but christian version?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard
1. Yes we have to answer to legal courts and civil laws
2. But we dont have to answer to sharia law (islam religious law) OR biblical law (christian religious law), UNLESS you want us to be a theocratic society.
You know whats theocratics? Like Saudi Arabia?, but christian version?
No one is talking about imposing Biblical law on Singapore or starting a theocracy here. Fallacy of irrelevant thesis Tcmc?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
not trying to get in between your discussion with BIC on this subject. We are answerable to the local laws where we are. You can't bring fruits or honey from melbourne to perth but nobody will check you for taking some drugs around. In Singapore, you are free to bring in any fruits but if you carry more than 15 gm of drugs, you will be hanged. The countries set the law, and that is the yardstick on how far you can go, here is nothing fair or not fair.
You will also be answerable to your own conscience. Do you feel at ease if you steal from somebody? that is your moral yardstick.
There is also a higher legal yardstick set by government, an american company set up a plan in Vietnam, they will have to follow the pollution control yardstick in america AND in Vietnam.
Of course there is a higher moral yardstick for man going into eternity, that is set by God. In your case whoever in your Buddhist religion. The moral yardstick for religion and local government may be different, e.g. abortion is legal in Singapore, but it is against the moral yardstick set by God.
Ultimately, which yardstick will prevail, to whom you will have to be answerable? that is for man to decide.
OIC...thanks for clearing that up....reasonable thoughts....
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard
1. Yes we have to answer to legal courts and civil laws
2. But we dont have to answer to sharia law (islam religious law) OR biblical law (christian religious law), UNLESS you want us to be a theocratic society.
You know whats theocratics? Like Saudi Arabia?, but christian version?
It is for you to decide, that is my last sentence! who is asking you to answer to sharia law or christian law?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard
1. Yes we have to answer to legal courts and civil laws
2. But we dont have to answer to sharia law (islam religious law) OR biblical law (christian religious law), UNLESS you want us to be a theocratic society.
You know whats theocratics? Like Saudi Arabia?, but christian version?
If you are in Saudi Arabia, they will tell you to be answerable to whatever law they have. -
Originally posted by sgdiehard:
It is for you to decide, that is my last sentence! who is asking you to answer to sharia law or christian law?
You did say or imply that we have to answer to biblical/christian laws!
"Of course there is a higher moral yardstick for man going into eternity, that is set by God. .."
Dont you believe that we have to answer to God's law one day?
So I am just reminding you that not everyone has to answer or want to answer to biblical/christian laws! :)
Cos not everyone is a christian mah!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
If you are in Saudi Arabia, they will tell you to be answerable to whatever law they have.Ya but we are in Singapore mah..
SO we dont have to answer to sharia law or biblical laws.
Only if you in Vatican city you might have to answer to SOME biblical laws!
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In buddhism, there's a law about "Karma"....the law that binds all things physical and metaphysical....and that "reap what u sow" + "action and reaction" kind of things....Karma is present in all things, if there's a beginning, there's an ending...but life still continues to the afterlife bringing with it the karmic consequences....the concept is very difficult to describe, to study or to understand....I'm only sharing what I know so far....
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
You did say or imply that we have to answer to biblical/christian laws!
"Of course there is a higher moral yardstick for man going into eternity, that is set by God. .."
Dont you believe that we have to answer to God's law one day?
So I am just reminding you that not everyone has to answer or want to answer to biblical/christian laws! :)
Cos not everyone is a christian mah!
don't say I imply, I don't!
you believe whatever you want. Your reminder is redundent.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Ya but we are in Singapore mah..
SO we dont have to answer to sharia law or biblical laws.
Only if you in Vatican city you might have to answer to SOME biblical laws!
I said " if you are in Saudi...." where you are now doesn't really matter to me.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I said " if you are in Saudi...." where you are now doesn't really matter to me.
sgdiehard
But you want biblical laws to be appiled in singapore or not? just curious
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
In buddhism, there's a law about "Karma"....the law that binds all things physical and metaphysical....and that "reap what u sow" + "action and reaction" kind of things....Karma is present in all things, if there's a beginning, there's an ending...but life still continues to the afterlife bringing with it the karmic consequences....the concept is very difficult to describe, to study or to understand....I'm only sharing what I know so far....
hehehe...definitely difficult to prove....
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
hehehe...definitely difficult to prove....
as difficult as proving that jonah lived in a fish stomach 4000 years ago :))
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard
But you want biblical laws to be appiled in singapore or not? just curious
Biblical laws apply to Christians only, it is a higher calling for Christian, we follow the Singapore law and we also responsible to God. What moral yardstick is yours? -
Originally posted by Tcmc:
as difficult as proving that jonah lived in a fish stomach 4000 years ago :))
If your limited knowledge, of course.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
If your limited knowledge, of course.
Same to you regarding buddhism and its concepts.
Limited knowledge of yours, of course.
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
In buddhism, there's a law about "Karma"....the law that binds all things physical and metaphysical....and that "reap what u sow" + "action and reaction" kind of things....Karma is present in all things, if there's a beginning, there's an ending...but life still continues to the afterlife bringing with it the karmic consequences....the concept is very difficult to describe, to study or to understand....I'm only sharing what I know so far....
Demon Bane,
I understand this. The point is that the law must be given, and this by somebody. The law is not impersonal because an impersonal thing or force cannot enforce something that is moral. Only moral beings can hold moral beings morally accountable. The Bible teaches that a personal God, not an impersonal force, upholds the whole of creation and judges the world in righteousness. He will reward the righteous and punish the wicked, not capriciously but in accordance to His holy nature. God is not present in all things, but He created the universe and interacts with His creation.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
I understand this. The point is that the law must be given, and this by somebody. The law is not impersonal because an impersonal thing or force cannot enforce something that is moral. Only moral beings can hold moral beings morally accountable. The Bible teaches that a personal God, not an impersonal force, upholds the whole of creation and judges the world in righteousness. He will reward the righteous and punish the wicked, not capriciously but in accordance to His holy nature. God is not present in all things, but He created the universe and interacts with His creation.
BIC,
Yea!
Islam and Sikhism also teach about a personal God, a moral authority! :))
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Demon Bane,
I understand this. The point is that the law must be given, and this by somebody. The law is not impersonal because an impersonal thing or force cannot enforce something that is moral. Only moral beings can hold moral beings morally accountable. The Bible teaches that a personal God, not an impersonal force, upholds the whole of creation and judges the world in righteousness. He will reward the righteous and punish the wicked, not capriciously but in accordance to His holy nature. God is not present in all things, but He created the universe and interacts with His creation.
Some people believe that this "Karma" thing is God....at least that's what my christian frens told me...Hahaha!
....Karma is not a force....its a universal law that has its own judgement system...that itself is not bound by it.... -
Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Some people believe that this "Karma" thing is God....at least that's what my christian frens told me...Hahaha!
....Karma is not a force....its a universal law that has its own judgement system...that itself is not bound by it....A law must have a lawgiver. How does an impersonal thing judge?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
A law must have a lawgiver. How does an impersonal thing judge?
Thats why i SAID because you think linearly, buddhism is too deep for you
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
A law must have a lawgiver. How does an impersonal thing judge?
Lets say the physics laws eg. what goes up must come down....
And the Karmic law : Good begets good and evil begets evil...
You are assigning names like "law" and "God".... dun assign and your mind shall be free....
Its so difficult to explain to you becos u do not have the essential buddhist knowledge....sorry....I can't and dunno how to explain to you....Hahaha!