Jesus was a Hindu Monk and Survived the Cross
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
HAHAHAHAHAHA.
Nvm. I really want to vomit blood talking to you.
Because you are so......sigh. Nvm.
give me a straight answer, does God exist? if He doesn't, then all Christians believe in nothing, all christians teachings are nothing, all doctrines are nothing, heaven is nothing, hell is nothing, satan is nothing, all Christians hopes will be in vain, ........why are you here talking day and night about things that are nothing?
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doctrines of christians,types of christians =/= god
doctrines of christians,types of christians NOT EQUALS god
You like this also cannot differentiate.........how to continue discussing?
Vomit blood.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
doctrines of christians,types of christians =/= god
doctrines of christians,types of christians NOT EQUALS god
You like this also cannot differentiate.........how to continue discussing?
Vomit blood.
doctines of christians, types of christians not equal God, but take God out of Christians and christians doctrine, what do you get?
If you vomit blood, see a doctor, let him do a thorough check on you, and see what is wrong.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
doctines of christians, types of christians not equal God, but take God out of Christians and christians doctrine, what do you get?
If you vomit blood, see a doctor, let him do a thorough check on you, and see what is wrong.
Because we are discussing the christian doctrine here, we should be focussed and objective.
Just discuss the doctrine of whether christians believe jesus is god.
So according to the doctrines of different christians, one group is the trinitarian christians, one group is the non-trinitarian christians.
I am stating facts.
I dunno why you are so defensive??
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Because we are discussing the christian doctrine here, we should be focussed and objective.
Just discuss the doctrine of whether christians believe jesus is god.
So according to the doctrines of different christians, one group is the trinitarian christians, one group is the non-trinitarian christians.
I am stating facts.
I dunno why you are so defensive??
what am i defending?
you stating facts? you have said this, there is no God, so whether Jesus is God or not is immaterial!!! so what are you focusing? all Christians are wrong already!
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
what am i defending?
you stating facts? you have said this, there is no God, so whether Jesus is God or not is immaterial!!! so what are you focusing? all Christians are wrong already!
You are very incoherent...
You yourself agree that Mormons are christians also.........
And I gave you an official classification for trinitarian christians and non-trinitarian christians (mormons and JWs)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Nontrinitarianism
So why you so upset?
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
give me a straight answer, does God exist? if He doesn't, then all Christians believe in nothing, all christians teachings are nothing, all doctrines are nothing, heaven is nothing, hell is nothing, satan is nothing, all Christians hopes will be in vain, ........why are you here talking day and night about things that are nothing?
cos the simple answer to this is this. you cannot fathom the idea of god does not exists cos if you do, the beliefs after millenniums will be exposed as a fraud, charlatan. that is why you zealots are defending the concept of god at all costs, most of the time using warped and illogical and irrational explanations, that beggars belief. ask non christians what they think of you replies and you will wonder, what the heck did I say to justify such an attack?
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
You are very incoherent...
You yourself agree that Mormons are christians also.........
And I gave you an official classification for trinitarian christians and non-trinitarian christians (mormons and JWs)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity#Nontrinitarianism
So why you so upset?
I upset? hehehe...you are the one vomit blood....
No I am not interested to discuss about mormons with you, unless, you believe in God, then we will see what God has to say about this.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
cos the simple answer to this is this. you cannot fathom the idea of god does not exists cos if you do, the beliefs after millenniums will be exposed as a fraud, charlatan. that is why you zealots are defending the concept of god at all costs, most of the time using warped and illogical and irrational explanations, that beggars belief. ask non christians what they think of you replies and you will wonder, what the heck did I say to justify such an attack?
put it another way round, you cannot fathom the idea that God does exist and there will be a judgement, and there will be heaven and hell, you will have to face all the consequences for what you do and don't do. ask Christian what do they think of your replies.
I attack or you attack?
It is alright you don't believe in God, as far as I am concerned. But you want to attack, don't say we are zealots who are defending, and then say you need to justify an attack.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
I upset? hehehe...you are the one vomit blood....
No I am not interested to discuss about mormons with you, unless, you believe in God, then we will see what God has to say about this.
sgdiehard,
It's ok lah.
At least we can agree on one point - Both of us do agree that Mormons are christians too!
Cheers!
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
sgdiehard,
It's ok lah.
At least we can agree on one point - Both of us do agree that Mormons are christians too!
Cheers!
The fundamentals is very important, there is a God, if not, then to be Christian is meaningless, where mormons are christians or non christians is also meaningless..cheers!
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Is it important to know all tech aspect of the DVD player (who made it, how it works technically etc.) or just learn how to use it? Which is more important? The different brands of DVD players are like our chosen religions....
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Is it important to know all tech aspect of the DVD player (who made it, how it works technically etc.) or just learn how to use it? Which is more important? The different brands of DVD players are like our chosen religions....
Your question begs the question in equating religions with DVD players. Anyway, for some people it is important, but for some people it is not important. But no one disagree that the DVD player is the product of intelligent design. Yet life is many times much more complex than the DVD player and you have atheists believe it came about by chance? Does not compute at all.
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Your question begs the question in equating religions with DVD players. Anyway, for some people it is important, but for some people it is not important. But no one disagree that the DVD player is the product of intelligent design. Yet life is many times much more complex than the DVD player and you have atheists believe it came about by chance? Does not compute at all.
Sure I can aagrree with you partly that all things complex could have been created.
But then when it comes to your God/Goddess who is so much more complex, you apply special pleading and say that the logic of "creaor-creation" does not apply anymore.
Seriously?
You say "OH YEA everything complex MUST HAVE A CREATOR"
I ask "Erm, so how about your God/Goddess who is so much more complex?"
You say "OH no need for creator because God is the creator!"
See a blatent fallacy?
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Originally posted by BroInChrist:
Your question begs the question in equating religions with DVD players. Anyway, for some people it is important, but for some people it is not important. But no one disagree that the DVD player is the product of intelligent design. Yet life is many times much more complex than the DVD player and you have atheists believe it came about by chance? Does not compute at all.
Hahaha! Just some points of my tots....btw, I dun think the universe happen by chance....neither do I believe there's a "grand design".... I think the universe is "eternal" in function....before this universe, there was another universe...etc.
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Originally posted by sgdiehard:
put it another way round, you cannot fathom the idea that God does exist and there will be a judgement, and there will be heaven and hell, you will have to face all the consequences for what you do and don't do. ask Christian what do they think of your replies.
I attack or you attack?
It is alright you don't believe in God, as far as I am concerned. But you want to attack, don't say we are zealots who are defending, and then say you need to justify an attack.
well the world has believed in god for the past 2 millennium until science has proven its fallacy. we now know that rain and disasters are not acts of god.
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
well the world has believed in god for the past 2 millennium until science has proven its fallacy. we now know that rain and disasters are not acts of god.
Sadly,
BIC still believes that sin causes disasters and that disasters happen because people are sinful.
It is plain superstition.
Many of my christian friends already know that disasters are not caused by sin/God. Yet BIC still lives in that era.
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Sadly,
BIC still believes that sin causes disasters and that disasters happen because people are sinful.
It is plain superstition.
Many of my christian friends already know that disasters are not caused by sin/God. Yet BIC still lives in that era.
I only know eating chocolate is sinful
but why is it a sin, when it is enjoyment of the senses. he is an extremist living in the xtian paradigm. his world view is nothing but xtian beliefs, even when science proves otherwise. but its not his fault though, cos he is trapped in his own paradigm. it has been like this for the past 2 millenniums. but you did get out of it dun u. better be late then never to see the light. -
Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
I only know eating chocolate is sinful
but why is it a sin, when it is enjoyment of
the senses. he is an extremist living in the xtian paradigm. his
world view is nothing but xtian beliefs, even when science proves
otherwise. but its not his fault though, cos he is trapped in his
own paradigm. it has been like this for the past 2 millenniums. but
you did get out of it dun u. better be late then never to see
the light.Thank goodness many of my Christian friends are not like him.
At least my christian friends know disasters are caused by air currents/tetonic movements.
But BIC told me disasters are caused by sinfulness of mankind.......
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
I only know eating chocolate is sinful
but why is it a sin, when it is enjoyment of
the senses. he is an extremist living in the xtian paradigm. his
world view is nothing but xtian beliefs, even when science proves
otherwise. but its not his fault though, cos he is trapped in his
own paradigm. it has been like this for the past 2 millenniums. but
you did get out of it dun u. better be late then never to see
the light.So Jacky Woo, are u an Atheist too? What's your religion ?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
So Jacky Woo, are u an Atheist too? What's your religion ?
these are just labels, labels are not important. I am only temporary in this planet.
I do not have a religion. define religion. religion is the praying or worshipping of god or the systemic beliefs in a god. by this definition, you think I have a religion?
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Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
these are just labels, labels are not important. I am only temporary in this planet.
Good ! A free-thinker perhaps?
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Originally posted by Demon Bane:
Good ! A free-thinker perhaps?
I dunno, whatever lol. as I said, labels are not important. what is important are my world views correct and rational. -
Originally posted by Jacky Woo:
I dunno, whatever lol. as I said, labels are not important. what is important are my world views correct and rational.Actually buddhism did mentioned about "labels" and how they clouded the minds...
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Originally posted by Tcmc:
Thank goodness many of my Christian friends are not like him.
At least my christian friends know disasters are caused by air currents/tetonic movements.
But BIC told me disasters are caused by sinfulness of mankind.......
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I think there are many kinds of christians, just like there are many kinds of buddhists....they usually dun agree to each other ... even within the same religion....there are different schools of thoughts....hence different sects....