Yes despondent, every religion has its own unique point. Your unique point maybe be MORE TRUE to you and christians, but Islam's unique point maybe more true to muslims, and Hinduism's unique point maybe more true to Hindus.
And so on...
I especially like this Quran verse 1-6 although I am not muslim.
2. I worship not what you worship,
3. Nor do you worship Whom I worship,
4. Neither shall I worship what you worship,
5. Nor will you worship Whom I worship,
6. To you be your religion, and to me my religion.
And so that is why for the whole 10,000 years of human civilsation, there was no one moment in time when the whole world was christian or muslim or hindu.
For all of civilisation, there will always be different religions.
yup...u said u wanted to noe my reasoning and where christianity is coming from so i provide u the reasonings as much as i can...tats my aim...basically for me, its the consistency tat good works is nt needed to be part of a family and hence gd works is nt the way to living wif God the creator and father(family) tat eliminated Islam from my list, leaving christianity...to each his own...
Christians reach out cos they are commanded to do so...while i admit tat hardselling is nt good and undesirable...i feel christians shld nt be faulted for following wad Jesus commanded them to do...
despondent,
Have you think about this?
If you are wrong about Islam and the Muslims are right, where will you do to when you die?
I am just saying IF.
hell...thats wad they believe in, same as christianity...
To be "saved" in islam, you have to confess that allah is god and that muhammed is his last messenger.
Originally posted by despondent:hell...thats wad they believe in, same as christianity...
Yea. Interesting right? Lol...
Its funny how every religion defines truth differently.
christianity sees it tis way...even if christianity may be wrong, we can still get to heaven by doing gd..after all, christianity does teach its followers to do gd...if we dun, its our fault nt God...but if christianity is rite, then no amt of gd works will save u...being a well-read person on religions, i am sure u have heard this one b4 BUT this is nt one of my reasons for believing in christianity...
i may be a very good person in life, do lots of charity, donate blood, save lives...BUT will all these get me a place in ur family, tcmc? will i become ur parents' child cos i do a lot of gd???
despondent,
Sorry you are wrong.
Even if you do lots of good works as a christian, you will not be able to enter heaven if allah is the real god.
Because to be saved, you have to confess allah is god and muhammed.
Islam is similar to christianity. It is not good works that save muslims. It is the belief and faith in allah
It is the same for Sikhism, where you have to believe in the name of the Sikh God before you can be saved,
So if you are a christian who do lots of good works, but then either the Muslim God or Sikh God is real, you will not be able to enter their heavens..
You understand?
It's similar to Christianity
To sum it up --
Only Muslims can enter the Muslim heaven
Only Christians can enter the Christian heaven
Only Sikhs can enter the Sikh heaven.
the difference is the acceptance of Jesus...christianity is teh acceptance of jesus not so much of acceptance of God the father...i asked abt the diff of Islam and Christianiity and the answer i got was one word ''Jesus''...acknowledging he is the son of God and tat he died for man's sins...so at most i can say, islam is a salvation by faith but christianity is salvation by grace...in another sense, its the acceptance of the holy trinity which muslims rejects...
anyway, my reasonings mainly refute salvation by good works...cos the main argument concerning heaven and hell is good works vs grace...salvation by faith is nt common...anyway bible did say we are saved BY grace THRU faith FOR good works...tat sounds complete to me at least...
but ultimately, all 3 religions will tell u theres only one heaven which may have different levels, only one God and only one way to heaven...tats the similarity in teaching concerning salvation...
juz an add on, my own tots...nt in the bible but juz a bit of spice lah...save by grace thru faith for good works...3 things mentioned here...1) grace, 2) faith, 3) good works...hmmm, i get the feeling its like saved by Jesus' blood thru God's faith for the Holy Spirit(empowerment)...
all god religons is flawed from the start.
just to point out this point, how can heaven, if it exists, have so many heavens for christians, muslims, judaist, hindus etc. this alone already highlighted the paradox here.
when you go to heaven, if it exists, do the angels, have races? what are the race of angels? only one kind of race in heaven? what about height and weight? all similar in ht/wt?
Rooney,
I was just trying to show despondent that his religion is nothing special because all the other religions also say the same thing.
But despondent, you dont seem to get it.
You believe nonchristians will not get saved if we dont believe in jesus.
Similarly muslims believe YOU will not get saved if you dont believe in allah.
So there's no difference. All the religions teach that only their followers go to their heavens.
Lol....
Originally posted by Tcmc:Rooney,
I was just trying to show despondent that his religion is nothing special because all the other religions also say the same thing.
But despondent, you dont seem to get it.
You believe nonchristians will not get saved if we dont believe in jesus.
Similarly muslims believe YOU will not get saved if you dont believe in allah.
So there's no difference. All the religions teach that only their followers go to their heavens.
Lol....
thats the point I am trying to made. how can there be so many truths out there? Islam say there is no god, but Allah, same with christians.
Originally posted by Tcmc:Rooney,
I was just trying to show despondent that his religion is nothing special because all the other religions also say the same thing.
But despondent, you dont seem to get it.
You believe nonchristians will not get saved if we dont believe in jesus.
Similarly muslims believe YOU will not get saved if you dont believe in allah.
So there's no difference. All the religions teach that only their followers go to their heavens.
Lol....
Christians will tell you Muslims make use of the bible and turn it to Quoran for Islam, they copied Christianity. The story never ends . . . .. . ...
In Islam, Jesus is believed to be the minor prophet, he is not higher than Prophet Mohammad.
Originally posted by winsomeea:Christians will tell you Muslims make use of the bible and turn it to Quoran for Islam, they copied Christianity. The story never ends . . . .. . ...
In Islam, Jesus is believed to be the minor prophet, he is not higher than Prophet Mohammad.
so what about the bible then? was it copied from some source?
the bible existed b4 the quaran did...to noe if the bible was copied from another religious book, we need to see if 1) there are religious books earlier than the bible, 2) are there alot of similarities btw the bible and these earlier religious books...
tcmc, maybe u can enlighten roooney9 if the the bible could have been copied from another religion?
Originally posted by despondent:the bible existed b4 the quaran did...to noe if the bible was copied from another religious book, we need to see if 1) there are religious books earlier than the bible, 2) are there alot of similarities btw the bible and these earlier religious books...
tcmc, maybe u can enlighten roooney9 if the the bible could have been copied from another religion?
despondent,
It seems like you dont remember what we discussed earlier. An "earlier" religion doesnt mean it's correct or more correct. Going by your logic, Buddhism is more correct then Christianity then? Many conccepts and ideas in the New testament are similar or copied from Buddhism which predates Christianity by 500 years.
despondent,
yes parts of Christianity (new testament) is copied from Judaism.