what happen to kong hee dishonesty case?

• Susanteo2011

  30 Nov 11, 15:30

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  Hey everyone

   

  Please don't just focus on megachurches. Actually many small churches in s'pore are also very rich and I know of many local pastors who live in condos and bungalows in s'pore.

   

  just as the Vatican has trillions....................

   

  the whole damn fake religion was just a big con job.................nothing else.................

• laurence82

  1 Dec 11, 02:59

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  Hey everyone

   

  Please don't just focus on megachurches. Actually many small churches in s'pore are also very rich and I know of many local pastors who live in condos and bungalows in s'pore.

  
  what is the usual start up capitial to open a church?

  

• Tcmc

  1 Dec 11, 08:57

  A few millions to begin with to acquire land.

   

  If they rent a place, a few hundred thousands is needed for deposit. 

   

  But as soon as they gather members, they will have tithes and offerings to fund all the rental and payments. The pastors in most churches in singapore are paid quite well, yes even in the small churches.

• sgdiehard

  1 Dec 11, 18:11

  Originally posted by laurence82:

  
  what is the usual start up capitial to open a church?

  

  物以类� 。

• laurence82

  1 Dec 11, 21:09

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  A few millions to begin with to acquire land.

   

  If they rent a place, a few hundred thousands is needed for deposit. 

   

  But as soon as they gather members, they will have tithes and offerings to fund all the rental and payments. The pastors in most churches in singapore are paid quite well, yes even in the small churches.

  
  i would think its good investment

  ROI looks good

  church building could fast become a super growing industry

• winsomeea

  1 Dec 11, 21:13

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  Hey everyone

   

  Please don't just focus on megachurches. Actually many small churches in s'pore are also very rich and I know of many local pastors who live in condos and bungalows in s'pore.

  
  There are still pastors who are paid low salary especially in small churches.  

• Rooney_07

  1 Dec 11, 21:46

  talking about pastors, do they believe what they are preaching?

• Tcmc

  2 Dec 11, 08:52

  Originally posted by winsomeea:

  
  There are still pastors who are paid low salary especially in small churches.  

  Hi win,

   

  Yea I know there are pastors who are paid lowly. But I know pastors from many churches (small or big) who live in condos, landed property and drive cars.

   

   

• Tcmc

  2 Dec 11, 08:53

  Originally posted by Rooney_07:

  talking about pastors, do they believe what they are preaching?

  Rooney

   

  I think some do have doubts but they just brush the doubts aside because preaching is their "rice bowl",. If they dont preach, they cant find another job.

   

  But there are some others who "sincerely" believe in what they preach too.

   

  Then there are also the con artist pastors.

• sgdiehard

  3 Dec 11, 10:58

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  Hi win,

   

  Yea I know there are pastors who are paid lowly. But I know pastors from many churches (small or big) who live in condos, landed property and drive cars.

   

  All pastors should live in caves and eat wild honey? when r you starting your church with buddy?

• Rooney_07

  4 Dec 11, 12:31

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  Rooney

   

  I think some do have doubts but they just brush the doubts aside because preaching is their "rice bowl",. If they dont preach, they cant find another job.

   

  But there are some others who "sincerely" believe in what they preach too.

   

  Then there are also the con artist pastors.

  how can they do not have doubts when clearly there are so many paradoxes in the belief system?even if I am a christian, I do not think I will last that long, cos I am a natural doubting Thomas.

• Susanteo2011

  4 Dec 11, 13:47

   

   

  anyone with even half a brain and bother to use half of that half a brain will realize.......................

   

  all religions.........especially the one involving Hesus Krishna a.k.a. Jesus Christ is bogus............

• winsomeea

  5 Dec 11, 02:56

  Again, I want to say,   Kong Hee going to get christmas presents soon.

  Money money money makes his world goes round and round, huat ah!

  Kong Hee a black sheep for christianity!      Do let us know if this christmas any of his church member sell HDB flat to donate money to church, to church means Kong Hee????

• Tcmc

  5 Dec 11, 09:52

  Originally posted by sgdiehard:

  All pastors should live in caves and eat wild honey? when r you starting your church with buddy?

  Maybe they should, because the bible says they need to sell everything to follow jesus.

  Well, then you will say "oh this verse dont apply"

• sgdiehard

  5 Dec 11, 10:13

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  Maybe they should, because the bible says they need to sell everything to follow jesus.

  Well, then you will say "oh this verse dont apply"

  but they don't want to be your neighbour leh...

• Tcmc

  5 Dec 11, 10:16

  Originally posted by sgdiehard:

  but they don't want to be your neighbour leh...

  sgdiehard

   

  You asked me if pastors should all live in the wild and eat honey. I answered you. Yes they should if they believe in the bible because the bible says YOU as a christian must sell everything to follow jesus.

  Are you gonna say "oh this verse dont apply to me anymore!"

  Lol..serious answers from you sgdiehard, please?

• BroInChrist

  5 Dec 11, 12:38

  Originally posted by Susanteo2011:

   

   

  anyone with even half a brain and bother to use half of that half a brain will realize.......................

   

  all religions.........especially the one involving Hesus Krishna a.k.a. Jesus Christ is bogus............

  Susan,

  I won't bother with other religions. But please prove your case that Christianity is bogus or else refrain from making such remarks. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and make such claims. But can your claim withstand public scrutiny?

• sgdiehard

  5 Dec 11, 13:20

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  sgdiehard

   

  You asked me if pastors should all live in the wild and eat honey. I answered you. Yes they should if they believe in the bible because the bible says YOU as a christian must sell everything to follow jesus.

  Are you gonna say "oh this verse dont apply to me anymore!"

  Lol..serious answers from you sgdiehard, please?

  Tcmc,

   

  Seriously, no pastors in their right mind want to stay in caves, with you as neighbour. that is serious!

• Tcmc

  5 Dec 11, 13:39

  Originally posted by BroInChrist:

  Susan,

  I won't bother with other religions. But please prove your case that Christianity is bogus or else refrain from making such remarks. It's easy to hide behind a keyboard and make such claims. But can your claim withstand public scrutiny?

  BroInChrist

  Even if we showed you the errors in the bible (which is supposedly perfect and inspired by an allknowing god), you would still brush them aside and say that "god works in mysterious ways". You need to pluck up courage yourself and come to terms that the christian god might not be possible when you study the bible hard enough.

  It's really for yourself to admit. I took a lot of courage to lay down my religion and beliefs and thats why I left christianity. It was hard, but i treasure logic and truth more than my baseless beliefs.

• Tcmc

  5 Dec 11, 13:40

  Originally posted by sgdiehard:

  Tcmc,

   

  Seriously, no pastors in their right mind want to stay in caves, with you as neighbour. that is serious!

  sgdiehard!

   

  Exactly! That is why no pastors ever bothered about the verse that says that jesus told christians to sell away everything! That is why that verse is always ignoreed! You agree too that pastors who are sane will never obey that verse!

• winsomeea

  5 Dec 11, 15:34

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  sgdiehard!

   

  Exactly! That is why no pastors ever bothered about the verse that says that jesus told christians to sell away everything! That is why that verse is always ignoreed! You agree too that pastors who are sane will never obey that verse!

  
  What about Kong Hee ?   

• Rooney_07

  5 Dec 11, 17:01

  Originally posted by sgdiehard:

  Tcmc,

   

  Seriously, no pastors in their right mind want to stay in caves, with you as neighbour. that is serious!

  pastors staying in caves lol. would you even want to stay in a cave?

  anyway if you can find a cave in Spore, I dun mind staying there

• BroInChrist

  5 Dec 11, 17:09

  Originally posted by Tcmc:

  BroInChrist

  Even if we showed you the errors in the bible (which is supposedly perfect and inspired by an allknowing god), you would still brush them aside and say that "god works in mysterious ways". You need to pluck up courage yourself and come to terms that the christian god might not be possible when you study the bible hard enough.

  It's really for yourself to admit. I took a lot of courage to lay down my religion and beliefs and thats why I left christianity. It was hard, but i treasure logic and truth more than my baseless beliefs.

  Tcmc,

  From what I see, you ditched Christianity not because you knew enough, but because you lacked the proper foundation to handle objections to the faith. You show me any so-called error and I am sure there is always a good rebuttal. And BTW, the answer that "God works in mysterious ways" can be a valid answer to some questions, but I wouldn't bank on that as an answer to every question. If you can cut some slack for scientists who don't know everything, why can't you do the same for Christians? Double standards?

• winsomeea

  5 Dec 11, 17:15

  self righteousness is a sin             

• sgdiehard

  5 Dec 11, 18:35

  Originally posted by winsomeea:

  self righteousness is a sin             

  it is indeed.