R u uneasy with the fact that non-Christians r going 2 hell
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Originally posted by imacattt:
I am the only Christian in my family. And there is this girl who has a very good heart and character, I like her becoz of that. I'm afraid shes going to hell as well. I feel very uncomfortable.
How do Christians cope with knowing there r many good people going to hell?
I only worry if my family or loved ones are going to Hell.But I don't mind to go to Hell if my GOD wishes so.
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Originally posted by hasene:
God will give them strength, don't believe , go ask christians.so it is according to christians onli. but according to above post, you all say the person before converting will need to believe in this statement before they are converted, and when some of them are terminally ill, how do they know the truth of this statement ??
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Originally posted by TTFU:
Did you read my examples ?
Nope.
The thing is, "What God Meant" is being interpreted and changed by MEN, not God, slowly through the ages. God didn't do the revisions. Men did.
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Terminally ill patient already in pain and sufferring...how they gonna think rationally?
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Originally posted by 24/7:
Put it this way, will true Christians do the above? Take heart, those actions are not consistent with the teachings of Christ at all, so those who perform the above are not truly adhering to the faith.
How you think of my example in page 5 ?
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Originally posted by parn:
I only worry if my family or loved ones are going to Hell.But I don't mind to go to Hell if my GOD wishes so.
Not to worry if ones going to hell if you know ones has a golden heart, help pple, good and kind pple....god will be there to take ones hand to heaven. -
Originally posted by BanguIzai:
so it is according to christians onli. but according to above post, you all say the person before converting will need to believe in this statement before they are converted, and when some of them are terminally ill, how do they know the truth of this statement ??
I understand what you are driving at, that is why I am not in agreement that the about to die get converted unless they understand, believe, accept and make up their mind to convert sincerely from their hearts.I know of a terminally ill man converted to christianity because he wants a christian funeral so as not to burden the wife with the more complicated buddhist or taoist funeral. The wife follow suit, converted herself to christian. She told me many times she became christian because of the husband. Both are old couple. I told her what she did was not right.
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Originally posted by likeyou:
Terminally ill patient already in pain and sufferring...how they gonna think rationally?
I agree with you. Perhaps only a couple of them are clear minded. -
What a truly old couple...sad story indeed.
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Originally posted by BanguIzai:
How you know they can get strength believing in christianity ??
If believing in that and the idea of heaven gives them faith before they are dying. Isnt that = strength ? The will to go forward. Anyway i was imagining from their mindset
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When I am able to die, I will stick to my truly own religion since young. Wont convert...terminally ill patient already in poor state, pain, worry about their family, confused....why dont they give the terminally ill patient peace and died peacefully? Instead of trying to converting....you make them died faster.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
If believing in that and the idea of heaven gives them faith before they are dying. Isnt that = strength ? The will to go forward. Anyway i was imagining from their mindset
thks
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No offend, this is what my friend tell me. No offend to chris.
Chris said chris died, go heaven.
Then why chris pple terminally ill still cling on their life and fear especially their family members? They should be happy that it is better to die so they can go heaven faster.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
Nope.
The thing is, "What God Meant" is being interpreted and changed by MEN, not God, slowly through the ages. God didn't do the revisions. Men did.
So how do you think of my example ? Since society is also changing.
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If one before dying, truly repents and convert to Christian, he will be saved. but barely saved.
10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
Will Christians go to hell : Yes. below is a letter to church in revelation.
4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
Will non-christians go to hell: maybe.
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
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Originally posted by Moka:
If one before dying, truly repents and convert to Christian, he will be saved. but barely saved.
10By the grace God has given me, I laid a foundation as an expert builder, and someone else is building on it. But each one should be careful how he builds. 11For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. 12If any man builds on this foundation using gold, silver, costly stones, wood, hay or straw, 13his work will be shown for what it is, because the Day will bring it to light. It will be revealed with fire, and the fire will test the quality of each man's work. 14If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. 15If it is burned up, he will suffer loss; he himself will be saved, but only as one escaping through the flames.
Will Christians go to hell : Yes. below is a letter to church in revelation.
4Yet I hold this against you: You have forsaken your first love. 5Remember the height from which you have fallen! Repent and do the things you did at first. If you do not repent, I will come to you and remove your lampstand from its place.
Will non-christians go to hell: maybe.
9There will be trouble and distress for every human being who does evil: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile; 10but glory, honor and peace for everyone who does good: first for the Jew, then for the Gentile. 11For God does not show favoritism.
12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God's sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14(Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law, 15since they show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts now accusing, now even defending them.) 16This will take place on the day when God will judge men's secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.
Please refer to the underlined and bolded words.
In that case, there's really no point in 'forcing' people into coverting to christianity. Since everyone will be judged the same way, whether or not they are Christians.
So all I can say is that Christians who try to 'scare' non-christians into converting, probably have the wrong bible.
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Originally posted by littlemissbonkers:
Please refer to the underlined and bolded words.
In that case, there's really no point in 'forcing' people into coverting to christianity. Since everyone will be judged the same way, whether or not they are Christians.
So all I can say is that Christians who try to 'scare' non-christians into converting, probably have the wrong bible.
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hmm...actually no lei... ahaha... but correct in the sense that they will judged different way..
If you are given the chance to know about God, and you dun wan, it means you are rejecting it, and therefore a sin >.< but God will judge accordingly la, so it's a very case-by-case basis.. If you are in Africa/tribe, no one know about Christianity, then it's certainly unfair for them because they are not given the chance ma =)
But on a side note, who gets to heaven, no one knows....
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I know....pap....hahahaha
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Originally posted by Moka:
hmm...actually no lei... ahaha... but correct in the sense that they will judged different way..
If you are given the chance to know about God, and you dun wan, it means you are rejecting it, and therefore a sin >.< but God will judge accordingly la, so it's a very case-by-case basis.. If you are in Africa/tribe, no one know about Christianity, then it's certainly unfair for them because they are not given the chance ma =)
But on a side note, who gets to heaven, no one knows....
If it is not the will of God that some become christians so what does this mean? Bloody god! cnn@!
so ba dao is God. God is like leekuanyew, leekuanyew is like god. what the heck!
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Originally posted by Moka:
hmm...actually no lei... ahaha... but correct in the sense that they will judged different way..
If you are given the chance to know about God, and you dun wan, it means you are rejecting it, and therefore a sin >.< but God will judge accordingly la, so it's a very case-by-case basis.. If you are in Africa/tribe, no one know about Christianity, then it's certainly unfair for them because they are not given the chance ma =)
But on a side note, who gets to heaven, no one knows....
I'll copy my post here from other thread.
It doesnt matter if the bible did really say did or dint. But actually the problem is should christains go around promoting all these ? Comes back to my question, if humans are free will, shouldnt it be left to affinty to seek god and not the other way ? Should you really preech to non-believers and shove beliefs down their throat ?
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Originally posted by TTFU:
I'll copy my post here from other thread.
It doesnt matter if the bible did really say did or dint. But actually the problem is should christains go around promoting all these ? Comes back to my question, if humans are free will, shouldnt it be left to affinty to seek god and not the other way ? Should you really preech to non-believers and shove beliefs down their throat ?
that is why i said bible full of contradiction. One part of it talks about free will and next condemn people who reject christianity. what kind of bloody god is this? cnn tv! -
Originally posted by TTFU:
I'll copy my post here from other thread.
It doesnt matter if the bible did really say did or dint. But actually the problem is should christains go around promoting all these ? Comes back to my question, if humans are free will, shouldnt it be left to affinty to seek god and not the other way ? Should you really preech to non-believers and shove beliefs down their throat ?
it is exactly because it is written down that's why the root of many issues. so whether it really did say or not matters.
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Originally posted by TTFU:
Good question, Once again this has to do with the black and white thing. The world isn't that simple and it is becoming a lot more complex with each passing day. God does not punish according to the old testaments ten commandments anymore, rather he punishes based on the sins of the heart and mind. Let me give two contrasting examples.
You are born into a good society with good moral values, therefore you can decide easily for yourself what it is that makes a person "good" or rather "holy." However, there are many cases where people in the world are not as "blessed" as you are. So God has to judge from the light emitted from their souls, but then how is that fair to those who are born into unjust environments? Is God so cruel as to merely cast them away? No, hardly.
The thing is that if you are a person born of the cruelest environments, and you had to steal, survive, and murder for a living, and that was all that you knew, then wouldn't that be extremely unfair to be condemned to a hell on earth, only to be condemned to hell for not knowing any better? For a lot of these people, it is what comes from inside of them that matters. If for one day, for even a single instance, this person who was raised in this environment can ever sympathize and refrain from killing a person, then in the eyes of God, this act of refraining from killing is worth more to God than anything I or anyone born of a good environment could ever do. For a person with no moral background, coming to his own senses and realizing the pain and sadness he brings to others is a greater act than anything you or I can do, who do know the difference between what is good and bad.to put it simply, the Christian gospel is a very counter cultural one. In more ways than one. You won't like what you hear the first time, and it becomes even harder when you start to understand more.
The good news here is that God won't admit evil doers to heaven (including "christians" who cheat, lie and steal, rapists, murders, etc). The bad news is that God won't admit those who do good too. Why? Because there is no one who does good. Everyone's guilty of some sin one way or another. If you say you have no sin, you're a liar.
So how? The question to ask then is not "how can God let anyone go to hell" but rather, "how can a holy God allow anyone into heaven at all"? It's not about doing good deeds to earn your way into His good books. To think one can do that is delusional.
Jesus spoke on the beatitudes to inform his audience about the characteristics of a true member of the kingdom of heaven. The "blessed"-ness are more than just temporal fleeting feelings of happiness but a state of well being in relationship to God that belongs to those who respond to Jesus' ministry. The first one (Matt 5:3) that speaks about the "poor in spirit" are those who recognize they are in need of God's help and are spiritually bankrupt. Does this look like someone who claims to have no sin, no need for God's intervention, not just in the international state of affairs but in his current condition?
It's counter cultural because nobody likes to be totally vulnerable and be told they're no good. Worth nothing. Have come till the end of the road. Unable to help themselves at all. We've been taught to be self sufficient, that we're ok. Immediately, the first response of the Christian in taking their baby steps to faith is to recognize that apart from the grace of God (demonstrated by Christ's cruxificion and resurrection), they can do nothing. (Which is a far cry from the brash showmanship of the modern health and wealth preachers, or those who "brag" or "boast" about others going to hell and they're not)
It's also further counter cultural because we're asked to wait, to be patient / long suffering and expect the second return of Christ. Who likes to wait? We want something, we want it now... What's more we're told to die to ourselves, reduce our previous nature more and more, place the other person higher than ourselves... you learn too that broad is the road that leads to death and destruction and narrow and hard is the road that leads to life.
So it's not a simple matter of doing good or refrain from evil that will help you to gain entry into heaven. When you think you've got the Christian God figured out, think again, not because He's unknowable but because His ways are really beyond our ways (counter cultural?). Being a "Christian" entails believing certain things (Christ's sacrifice and meaning) and living out the truth of those things that have changed. End of the day, it's still being able to believe as what the writer writes rhetorically in Genesis 18:25, "Shall not the judge of all the earth do what is just?"
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really boo boo! sigh!