Roman Catholic and protestant
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I consider myself firstly a Christian and secondly a Methodist because I am in a Methodist church.Originally posted by plo30360:They consider themselves to be non-denominational.
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many ppl out there ask y Christians evangelise. firstly its not something tt Christians can choose to do. it is a responsibility and a mantle handed down to us by Jesus. Let there b no mistake about this for it is written in Bible "make disciples of all the nations." John 15 sums up the entire relationship of Christians and God. God called us to be His disciples, not His converts. To b a disciple in Christ is to live as Jesus did and to bear fruit 4 Him and thru Him and this is done thru evangelising, ministering, nurturing, fellowship in the body of Christ, prayer, the Word of God(The Bible) and with Christ in the centre of our lives.
As a Christian, u can hv only one Master - God. u cannot hv one foot in the world n another in God. U either love one n despise the other. -
many ppl out there ask y Christians evangelise. firstly its not something tt Christians can choose to do. it is a responsibility and a mantle handed down to us by Jesus. Let there b no mistake about this for it is written in Bible "make disciples of all the nations." John 15 sums up the entire relationship of Christians and God. God called us to be His disciples, not His converts. To b a disciple in Christ is to live as Jesus did and to bear fruit 4 Him and thru Him and this is done thru evangelising, ministering, nurturing, fellowship in the body of Christ, prayer, the Word of God(The Bible) and with Christ in the centre of our lives.
Since evangelising is probably to a non-believer, I can tell u frankly they don't really care whether it is your responsibility or wat the bible teaches. They plainly find some of the evangelists too pressing and insistent and some, even insulting and they don't like it. Jesus also tell people to hit their slaves if they r lazy. How many people keep slaves, or even hit them now ? God also says through Moses tat those women, after having their period, have to let go of 2 pigeons because they r "unclean". Do anyone follow tat now ? It is to show tat u can quote me tat the bible tell u to do so, but I can also tells of many things which u r not doing too. In todays time, tis rule should undergo some form of revision (such as when to evangelise)[My opinion is evangelise only when they r gonna commit suicide r suffering great depression
As a Christian, u can hv only one Master - God. u cannot hv one foot in the world n another in God. U either love one n despise the other.
] to be more applicable in todays time. Tis is especially so since there r many religions, most peopel already know wat is christainity and nobody can surely know which is right or wrong. -
the things u mentioned tt the Jews used to do was the old covenant. the new covenant is justification thru faith n freedom from keeping the laws of the old covenant ie the examples u listed. Jesus however did not say tt we're free frm the law entirely. He gives us two laws
1. Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind, with all of your strength.
2.Love your neighbour as yourself.
if u study these 2 laws n apply them to our lives, u find tt they reflect the ten commandments. n this is true. Jesus's Cruxifiction freed us frm the old covenant of which only the high priest cld ask God for forgiveness. in dying for the world, all believers have become His priests. The Bible also stated countless times tt Jesus will return like a thief; sneakily n without warning. to put it simply, He will come when u least expect it. n so when's the next disaster? when's the next calamity? the reason y many Christians r told to evangelise NOW is becus the end is anytime. there is no 'right' time to evangelise. everytime is a right time.
Spreading the Word was nv meant to b pleasant. no one ever said tt e ppl whom u preached to WILL take wat u say n b converted. When Jesus preached the Pharisees wanted to stone Him on every occasion! Paul himself was imprisoned so many times n was flogged by ppl whom he preached to. truth b told, it is the ppl whom evangelise on the street tt truely gains my respect bcus they hv the guts to go out there n do the work of God wifout fear of rejection. some say, "y preach when they will hate it even more? its better u dnt preach if tts the case!" but i say, its better for one to hv heard the Word n hv the Seed of the Spirit b planted in his or her heart than hv the non-believers not hear the Gospel at all. -
the things u mentioned tt the Jews used to do was the old covenant. the new covenant is justification thru faith n freedom from keeping the laws of the old covenant ie the examples u listed. Jesus however did not say tt we're free frm the law entirely. He gives us two laws
These laws appear in the christian bible. They r not strictly jewish. (About hitting the slaves it is explicitly mentoned by Jesus christ, which made it NT). No one ever says tat just following the 2 laws means u can break all the others laws in the OT. Even Jesus says tat the old laws have to be follow faithfully forever. May I ask u from where do u get the info tat the old laws is totally irrelevant now and it was completely replaced by the 2 things u stated ? Where do it says tat the death of Jesus has totally erased off all the laws from the OT and they r totally wrong now ?
1. Love the Lord your God with all of your heart, with all of your soul, with all of your mind, with all of your strength.
2.Love your neighbour as yourself.
if u study these 2 laws n apply them to our lives, u find tt they reflect the ten commandments. n this is true. Jesus's Cruxifiction freed us frm the old covenant of which only the high priest cld ask God for forgiveness. in dying for the world, all believers have become His priests. The Bible also stated countless times tt Jesus will return like a thief; sneakily n without warning. to put it simply, He will come when u least expect it. n so when's the next disaster? when's the next calamity? the reason y many Christians r told to evangelise NOW is becus the end is anytime. there is no 'right' time to evangelise. everytime is a right time.
U say tat jesus will come at anytime and the end may be near. And so ? He is gonna punish the christians for not evangelising enough people or punish the people for not hearing the word which is not their fault ? I tell u non-believers don't give 2 hoot about wat your bible tell u to do. Just because bible tell them to evangelise it doesn't means they r free to insult other belief, evangelise at the most inappropriate maner, at the worst location, on the most terrible timing to the most unwilling people.Spreading the Word was nv meant to b pleasant. no one ever said tt e ppl whom u preached to WILL take wat u say n b converted. When Jesus preached the Pharisees wanted to stone Him on every occasion! Paul himself was imprisoned so many times n was flogged by ppl whom he preached to. truth b told, it is the ppl whom evangelise on the street tt truely gains my respect bcus they hv the guts to go out there n do the work of God wifout fear of rejection. some say, "y preach when they will hate it even more? its better u dnt preach if tts the case!" but i say, its better for one to hv heard the Word n hv the Seed of the Spirit b planted in his or her heart than hv the non-believers not hear the Gospel at all.
Okie, if u wanna insist on evangelising the people ? Fine. I am gonna evangelise the opposite to the people as well. Anyway it is just gonan make your religion more hated than ever and make less people becoming a christian, something which I don't mind will happen. -
Wah .. how is SIS gonna do that .. hahaOriginally posted by stupidissmart:Okie, if u wanna insist on evangelising the people ? Fine. I am gonna evangelise the opposite to the people as well. -
1)For god's sake we do not worship her we just pray to her!
how many chapters are they in the bible that mentioned Mary? maybe i should how many pages? it's quite little i would say... btw, im a little curious, do catholics use the same bible as protestants?
Than she said some crap blah blah blah that i will go to hell if i do not blah blah blah this and that
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U pray to her and u do not worship her? sounds contradicting. i find ur sentence a little weird. ok lar. i would say that guy shouldnt say u will go to hell lar. it's not up to him to judge in the last days. well anyway, my personal view. dont take it that all protestants think the same. Catholics pray to Mary... so where is Jesus's place in your hearts? He died on the cross for us.
John 3:36
Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him.
not Mary. Would say that Mary is just a human after all. Dont tell me she doesnt have sins, at all? Sins are in our human nature after all. -
its like your dead relative, you pray to/for he/she but do not worship he/she.If i am not wrong protestants have no old testament but catholics do and alot of other major differences
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Originally posted by subsuxor:
protestants do not pray to dead relatives, we respect them by visiting their graves and praying to God that we are glad that our relatives believed in God when they were still alive. we are not praying to our dead relatives.
[b]its like your dead relative, you pray to/for he/she but do not worship he/she.If i am not wrong protestants have no old testament but catholics do and alot of other major differences[/b]
do not worship mary but have statues? -
These laws appear in the christian bible. They r not strictly jewish. (About hitting the slaves it is explicitly mentoned by Jesus christ, which made it NT). No one ever says tat just following the 2 laws means u can break all the others laws in the OT. Even Jesus says tat the old laws have to be follow faithfully forever. May I ask u from where do u get the info tat the old laws is totally irrelevant now and it was completely replaced by the 2 things u stated ? Where do it says tat the death of Jesus has totally erased off all the laws from the OT and they r totally wrong now ?
U say tat jesus will come at anytime and the end may be near. And so ? He is gonna punish the christians for not evangelising enough people or punish the people for not hearing the word which is not their fault ? I tell u non-believers don't give 2 hoot about wat your bible tell u to do. Just because bible tell them to evangelise it doesn't means they r free to insult other belief, evangelise at the most inappropriate maner, at the worst location, on the most terrible timing to the most unwilling people.
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Read the New Testament b4 u make sweeping statements like tt ie get ur facts right. nvm. u shld b -honoured- tt ppl like u were mentioned in the Bible. ill not care to elaborate. -
Coming back to the original thread topic.....
I thought that public preaching and converting were no longer allowed and was stopped long ago. Is it still happening?
I've had my experiences too.....and geee, I hated it. But I did enjoy two instances....
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See them next time, call mataOriginally posted by gentlerock:Coming back to the original thread topic.....
I thought that public preaching and converting were no longer allowed and was stopped long ago. Is it still happening?
I've had my experiences too.....and geee, I hated it. But I did enjoy two instances.... -
Not many. I think even Mary Magdalene mentioned more than Mother Mary?Originally posted by badzilla:how many chapters are they in the bible that mentioned Mary? maybe i should how many pages? it's quite little i would say... btw, im a little curious, do catholics use the same bible as protestants?
Same bible. Just different versions. Personally I prefer my NRSV which contains scriptures for Orthodox and Catholics. But who is to say Protestants dun use NRSV 'cos Catholics also use that? So you see, it is just a difference of version.U pray to her and u do not worship her? sounds contradicting.
I don't find it contradicting. Just feel sad someone has to listen to your prayers without getting any recognition.not Mary. Would say that Mary is just a human after all. Dont tell me she doesnt have sins, at all? Sins are in our human nature after all.
What does that got to do with the deity of Christ from the RC perspective?
PS: In theology, Jesus Christ, as much as he is God, is considered a mediator. (see Westminister Confession of Faith). In RC theology, Mary is a co-mediator and the Co-Redemptrix. -
Originally posted by subsuxor:
WHAT!!!!!!!!!!??
[b]If i am not wrong protestants have no old testament but catholics do and alot of other major differences[/b] -
What's wrong? Did the Jews worship the two cherubims on the ark which God told them to make?Originally posted by badzilla:do not worship mary but have statues? -
Be kind to your brothers/sisters in Christ can?Originally posted by Honeybunz:See them next time, call mata
Please don't quote the OT "an eye for an eye" .. lol -
Confirmed boh?Originally posted by gentlerock:Coming back to the original thread topic.....
I thought that public preaching and converting were no longer allowed and was stopped long ago. Is it still happening?
I've had my experiences too.....and geee, I hated it. But I did enjoy two instances.... -
Friend,Originally posted by badzilla:protestants do not pray to dead relatives, we respect them by visiting their graves and praying to God that we are glad that our relatives believed in God when they were still alive. we are not praying to our dead relatives.
do not worship mary but have statues?
your 'dead' relatives are not really dead. They are alive in heaven! We do not call heaven the eternal life for nothing you know.. -
I don't know leh....the last time I've had anyone trying to convert me by cold-canvassing in public was more than 10 years ago. Or maybe its because I look like the devil, thats why they don't dare approach me.Originally posted by laurence82:Confirmed boh?
Seriously, I thought it was outlawed. I had the impression that there were too many complaints and so somebody at the top discreetly put a stop to it. And ex-PM Goh specifically stated in his last National Day Rally that everything is not taboo for public expression except religion and race right? (And I would consider preaching, criticising other religions and trying to convert people as public expression of religion).
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Mate,Originally posted by SingaporeMacross:Friend,
your 'dead' relatives are not really dead. They are alive in heaven! We do not call heaven the eternal life for nothing you know..
How can they be alive in heaven when judgment day is not yet here? I think only Enoch and Elijah are in heaven right? -
then where do u suppose they r at?
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Daniel 12:2: "And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt."
John 3:12-13: "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? And no man hath ascended up to heaven..."
John 5:28-29: "...for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation."
Acts 2:29-34: "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried...For David is not ascended into the heavens..." -
Our dead relatives are not yet in heaven ba.... God havent judge any of us till judgement days. it's quite complicated... err.. im halfway through a book "the rise of anti-christ" by Salem KirbanOriginally posted by SingaporeMacross:Friend,
your 'dead' relatives are not really dead. They are alive in heaven! We do not call heaven the eternal life for nothing you know..
It mentioned RAPTURE
This refers to the time, prior to the start of the 7 year Tribulation Period, when believing Christians( both dead and alive) will "in the twinkling of an eye" rise up to meet Christ in the air. Read 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17 in the New testament.
ok, i'll write out 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. -
Good grief! You people don't believe in life eternal?! Don't you know that Jesus has already opened the gates of heaven?
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everything should just disappear back to emptiness.