Roman Catholic and protestant
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Aiya .. forgive them lah .. until you sit down with them and discuss what is considered worship, I think it is pointless to be angry over this.Originally posted by chronicles:A Roman Catholic has to do with it because they keep saying Dont worship mary she is not a god, they keep having that misconception and try to use it against me whilst preaching to me.We dont worship her we just pray to her for christ sake. -
wats the difference between anglicans, protestants, roman catholics, methodist and mormons? are the differences really that significant to divide them into groups? i know jews called theirs saviour Yahweh but in catholic church songs, they have verses refering to God using the word Yahweh as well.Originally posted by chronicles:A Roman Catholic has to do with it because they keep saying Dont worship mary she is not a god, they keep having that misconception and try to use it against me whilst preaching to me.We dont worship her we just pray to her for christ sake.
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You might as well ask wat's the difference between Catholics and Nestorians. Why were the latter considered as heretics by the former? Read what happened in history. The seeds of division were already sown then.
Jews dun call their saviour Yahweh or Jehovah. The tetragammatron (sp?) is sacred and the full name of God cannot be pronounced anyhow. -
Nestorians? Do they exist? I heard sumwhere there is a collection of manuscripts called Deutron-sth.... n ppl hu worshiped it r called Deutronians or sth like that.Originally posted by Icemoon:You might as well ask wat's the difference between Catholics and Nestorians.
Why were the latter considered as heretics by the former?
Jews dun call their saviour Yahweh or Jehovah. The tetragammatron (sp?) is sacred and the full name of God cannot be pronounced anyhow. -
http://www.nestorian.org/
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ru a theologists or sth?Originally posted by Icemoon:http://www.nestorian.org/ -
Nope. Just happened to have some interest that's all. Not even an amateur I guess .. haha
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What you quoted from history is irrelevant to what i am discussing now!You have any idea how those protestant preachers push their religon?Like a salesmanOriginally posted by Icemoon:Irrelevant? Hello .. your faith views human institution in very high regard, even on par with Scripture, sorry I mean God trusted your forefathers to pass down the oral tradition.
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I am just illustrating the fact that your forefathers were judgmental to begin with.
Hence I don't see why you are so worked up over those pesky protestant preachers.
You have no idea how your forefathers pushed *your* faith down into the throats of thousands or millions.
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The problem with this issue is that there will always be overzealous people doing MORE than they should. Some of these have a strange and even misguided notion of what it means to "spread the Gospel".
Some of these people come knocking at my door and upon knowing that I am a Christian would still want to ask me to attend THEIR church. No different from "Taoist" folks who knock on doors during the seventh month to solicit donations, even from Christians..... -
While it is true that the Catholic Church has in the the past and perhaps even now in some places been doing what you have stated, the Protestant Chruch have their fair share of the same, so please don't make it look like now only the Protestant Churchs are being active.Originally posted by Icemoon:I am just illustrating the fact that your forefathers were judgmental to begin with. Hence I don't see why you are so worked up over those pesky protestant preachers.
You have no idea how your forefathers pushed *your* faith down into the throats of thousands or millions.
What those preachers can do to you is *mild*.
I'm sorry if I offended anyone with that statement, but lets not exgerate history and make it look like one side is always doing something while the other is passive. -
how much preaching compared to catholics, i have been approached but them many times too and some were quite rude and besides they are just tarnishing the reputation of the city harvest church as thats where they come from.Btw i am a athehist
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everyone's backstabbing each other.
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Exactly. If RC's holy human institution is already like that .. then we can't blame protestants from doing the same.Originally posted by plo30360:I'm sorry if I offended anyone with that statement, but lets not exgerate history and make it look like one side is always doing something while the other is passive.
Of course I'm not saying this is right. But it helps to research what happened in your own faith before one criticises others of being over zealous and judgmental. -
Don't they know what is irresistable grace and unconditional election?Originally posted by Chin Eng:The problem with this issue is that there will always be overzealous people doing MORE than they should.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:
I'm not supporting chronicles because his/her post(I too belive that by posting , it is judgemental) however to say that because of the things the Catholic Church did in the past grant a right to Protestants(note: fair share of history for them as well) to harass others is not acceptable and this applies for over-zealous Catholics as well.
Exactly. If RC's holy human institution is already like that .. then we can't blame protestants from doing the same.
Of course I'm not saying this is right. But it helps to research what happened in your own faith before one criticises others of being over zealous and judgmental.
As I've mentioned earlier:
Yes by virtue of being Christian we have a duty to evengalize. But the best form of evengalization is to live out the faith(not NATO). -
I dont find his post judgemental he was just relating his experience, well maybe catholics have done wrong things in the past, IRA 12century and so on but protestants also have done wrong things,battle of boyne,bloody sunday,protestant mobs burning down catholic pubs and businesses look at Notheren Ireland.
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sometimes i do find the way people spread their religon is like mass propaganda bullcrap
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Originally posted by plo30360:
So ultimately non believers just see that you are a good guy? No different from good guys from other faiths.
Yes by virtue of being Christian we have a duty to evengalize. But the best form of evengalization is to [b]live out the faith(not NATO). [/b]
I think the best form of evangelization is no evangelization or peaceful evangelization with no hard feelings involved. Just sit there do nothing. If a person is destined to enter the gate of heaven, he or she will enter it somehow.
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Why are xtians not selfish people? They should just keep the gospel for themselves. And let sinners be sinners unjustified to their graves.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:
You have misunderstood what I said. I stated we have duty to evengalize but before we(preach) make sure you actually live out that faith, how can you preach something you don't belive in(not living out the faith). Before anybody preaches the faith/ sharing the Gospel, he should first lead by example.
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So ultimately non believers just see that you are a good guy? No different from good guys from other faiths.
I think the best form of evangelization is no evangelization or peaceful evangelization with no hard feelings involved. Just sit there do nothing. If a person is destined to enter the gate of heaven, he or she will enter it somehow.
A lot of 'chrasmatic'/evengical Christians regardless of denomination are keen only to preach and get as many people baptized regardless whether those people are intrested or not.
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Originally posted by Icemoon:
Most non-believers do not like to be harassed.
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Ironically this is what most non-believers want. "Confine your gospel to your church and leave us alone, for God sake" (pun intended)[/b]
Preachers by all means should proclaim the Gospel but at the appropriate times, e.g(note:true) Minster at a funeral service telling non-believers to convert. This behaviour is like that of vultures instead of offering comfort to the people who knew the deceased, tell them instead they are not "saved". -
Originally posted by plo30360:
Just like Mother Theresa
As I've mentioned earlier:
Yes by virtue of being Christian we have a duty to evengalize. But the best form of evengalization is to [b]live out the faith(not NATO). [/b]
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Change oneself to influence others.
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Like i said, ultimately they just see you as a good guy, no different from other religions. Can you be "gooder" than others?Originally posted by plo30360:If Christians actually live out the faith, then people will come to them of thier own accord,and ask you to share.That is where evengelization takes place.
Why would people come to them for this reason? Wah .. even ask you to share somemore.
How many conversion testimonies we heard are like that?
I do not doubt that good behaviour give good impression, which of course makes preaching easier, but I don't understand why will people come to you just 'cos you are good?
If you can perform miracles I can understand, but good?