Adam Khoo prefers to hire FTs than locals
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Another stupid propagation of the popular myth about foreigners being more hardworking and willing to work longer hours.
Having worked with these so called foreign talents like the Burmese and Filipinos and others from third world countries, I have seen for myself that they are willing to work long hours only if there is overtime pay, but do they really work during the overtime?
Of course not! When the employer is not around they will be goofing around like reading newspapers, surfing the internet or chatting on MSN or Skype or sleeping at the company stair well if not the conference room. One of the main reason for "working" long hours is because there is free internet at the workplace which they cannot afford because the pay is low and expenses are high which they would soon discover within a month of working here. And they always have these homeboy gatherings, and that's where the problem starts to get worse. They are always comparing pay. For $50 more they will quit their job. The employer will soon realise that they are always on MC, which in reality they are going for more job interviews.
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The office is air-con.
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what's wrong with asking $2.5k for fresh grads..this is pretty much the minimum wage these days for executives...they need to save up and buy the ever increasing property prices for their 1st home. foreigners have little stake and do not intend to settle down here, $2k is plenty to spread around back where they come from....khoo is a nut head to judge locals, would he be prepared to accept $2k if he weren't the one hiring? for one who uses short term hysteria to motivate, his outlook of locals is very negative....
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You know if a person don't work for monies and you cannot motivate the person for monies in a private run organization....I would be very afraid that one day the cheap employees is going to steal my customers or product knowledge to start his/own business.
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*pui*
dos r not expats loh.
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Well, i'm sure Adam Khoo and the government would be very happy together with their foreign employees.
I for one, do not intend to play gooseberry.
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Adam khoo love PR..
maybe he also intent to become
a member of MIW too
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Originally posted by Stevenson101:
Well, i'm sure Adam Khoo and the government would be very happy together with their foreign employees.
I for one, do not intend to play gooseberry.
Adam Khoo is borned with a silver spoon in his mouth.
He has no idea the issues affecting the average Singaporean.
Similar to our govt. They have no idea about the pains of the average Singaporean because to them, increasing a bowl of noodles from $3 to $4 is nothing much to them.
The crux of the problem lies in making it too easy for employers to employ foreign labour (they are NOT foreign talents). And employers like angel7030 will try all means to circumvent any restrictions, such as putting her grandma as an employee of her company.
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but seriously, no one has addressed this question yet:
what if the FT is more value for your company than the Singaporean?
if you owned that company, who would you hire?
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Originally posted by the Bear:
but seriously, no one has addressed this question yet:
what if the FT is more value for your company than the Singaporean?
if you owned that company, who would you hire?
I think any bosses will want to save costIf i can save cost
Sadly, I also will hire PRs
Because bo bian one
Co only want profits and cost saving
not doing some charity work ya
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Originally posted by noahnoah:
I think any bosses will want to save costIf i can save cost
Sadly, I also will hire PRs
Because bo bian one
Co only want profits and cost saving
not doing some charity work ya
That's the issue.
If you allow short-sighted bosses to hire only based on the most simple rule (cost), then all hell breaks loose
The most successful companies don't hire based on that simple rule, but look more towards how a candidate fits into their organization.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
but seriously, no one has addressed this question yet:
what if the FT is more value for your company than the Singaporean?
if you owned that company, who would you hire?
Hire the appropriate; not base on if one is a local or foreigner.
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Originally posted by Chew Bakar:
Hire the appropriate; not base on if one is a local or foreigner.
so there.. that's the answer isn't it?what short-sighted, long-sighted whatever..
if a foreigner can do a job better and cheaper than a local, i'll hire him.. if a local can do the job better and cheaper than a foreigner, why the hell should i hire the foreigner...
now.. Adam Khoo can hire whoever the hell he wants.. that's his business... if they're good for him, good..
ultimately it comes down to that.. choice..
or does the idiots out there in SC want the MIW to remove that choice from them? maybe they do.. so that they have something else to kpkb about...
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Originally posted by the Bear:
so there.. that's the answer isn't it?what short-sighted, long-sighted whatever..
if a foreigner can do a job better and cheaper than a local, i'll hire him.. if a local can do the job better and cheaper than a foreigner, why the hell should i hire the foreigner...
now.. Adam Khoo can hire whoever the hell he wants.. that's his business... if they're good for him, good..
ultimately it comes down to that.. choice..
or does the idiots out there in SC want the MIW to remove that choice from them? maybe they do.. so that they have something else to kpkb about...
that why headhunters have their business.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
but seriously, no one has addressed this question yet:
what if the FT is more value for your company than the Singaporean?
if you owned that company, who would you hire?
My question is how do you determine whether an FT is more value?
I'm not unreasonable, it's hypocritical for me to work towards being a FT in another country but cannot tolerate FTs in my own country.
But my question is how do you measure that? How do you determine by resume whether this FT would definitely perform better than a local?
Wouldn't the HR guy responsible receive more recognisation if he/she could hire someone on paper with the same qualifications but lower salary? The hiring system is going to manned by humans no matter how automonus anyone makes it, if it is manned by humans then it would definitely be selfish by nature.
People paid to get their degrees and they want to get a equivalent salary in return for the effort and money they put in to get it. These people with masters who ask for 500 less didn't have to pay as much as locals to get it (I'm sure they're Chinese/Indians/Indonesians/Vietnamese/Burmese , you expect a Westerner to take 2,000 sing dollars for a starting salary?)
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Originally posted by the Bear:
well of course..
faced with two identical products, would you pay $2.50 for one while the other costs $2?
What did i tell u guys,this fuking Bear is always speaking for the sake of PAP.
Hey Bear,maybe u worth only $2,but pls dont pull the rest of the Singaporeans to be as "low class" as you.
Like what some forumers said,those foreigners after earning enough money,they can go back to their own countries n build big houses,buy big cars,whereas we Singaporeans have to spend our "earnings" in here for the rest of our lives.
Moreover,their education system are less strict than ours.They can obtain a University cert more easier than us.Our education system is a total failure compare to foreign countries.The PAP wanted Singaporeans to spend too much time n efforts "digging their heads" on the books,which is meaningless as time proven.
Finally,if u want Singaporeans to take pay cuts when looking for jobs,u have to ask the PAP ministers(especially LKY,LHL,n GCT) to cut their pays first!!!If the PAP leaders continue to take such as high pay(more than that of the U.S president),then how can they expect the public to have their pay cut while those "PAP Scumbags ministers" are taking the highest pay in the world without doing much things?
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Originally posted by Howlheje:
What did i tell u guys,this fuking Bear is always speaking for the sake of PAP.
Hey Bear,maybe u worth only $2,but pls dont pull the rest of the Singaporeans to be as "low class" as you.
Like what some forumers said,those foreigners after earning enough money,they can go back to their own countries n build big houses,buy big cars,whereas we Singaporeans have to spend our "earnings" in here for the rest of our lives.
Moreover,their education system are less strict than ours.They can obtain a University cert more easier than us.Our education system is a total failure compare to foreign countries.The PAP wanted Singaporeans to spend too much time n efforts "digging their heads" on the books,which is meaningless as time proven.
Finally,if u want Singaporeans to take pay cuts when looking for jobs,u have to ask the PAP ministers(especially LKY,LHL,n GCT) to cut their pays first!!!If the PAP leaders continue to take such as high pay(more than that of the U.S president),then how can they expect the public to have their pay cut while those "PAP Scumbags ministers" are taking the highest pay in the world without doing much things?
Picking on soundbytes, aren't we?
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i'm asking you to price yourself what you are worth..
if you are worth more, go ahead..
the chinese did say that real gold is not afraid of fire..
btw.. i'm asking this again coz really, if you really want to fight the MIW, you need real ammunition.. a lot of ranting in SC is bullshit...
you want to take the MIW down, fight them on topics and issues which they are dead wrong, they have messed up, and they cannot defend against... to rant and rage over your own shortcomings and your own inabilities just give them more firepower to shoot you down, and worse, to create a diversion for them to distract and obfuscate over the real issues...
in the long run, your rabble-rousing noise is just that.. noise.. because empty vessels are the loudest...
go figure out what the real issues are.. and why they require debate.. instead of ranting and raging.. because, pardon me, your slip is showing...
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Originally posted by Miracles&Prophecies:
Must look for your own country leaders who are asking for millions of dollar in pay while their counterpart from much larger economy are paid only a small portion of that.
Singaporeans should be looking for expat leaders.
yesh to that. It should start from the top, the leaders should set examples to get low low pay then they are in a position to demand people of the country to do the same.Just sack PAP if they refuse to do so.
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Originally posted by Hello Kitty:
*pui*
dos r not expats loh.
those from third world countries. -
Originally posted by the Bear:
i'm asking you to price yourself what you are worth..
if you are worth more, go ahead..
the chinese did say that real gold is not afraid of fire..
btw.. i'm asking this again coz really, if you really want to fight the MIW, you need real ammunition.. a lot of ranting in SC is bullshit...
you want to take the MIW down, fight them on topics and issues which they are dead wrong, they have messed up, and they cannot defend against... to rant and rage over your own shortcomings and your own inabilities just give them more firepower to shoot you down, and worse, to create a diversion for them to distract and obfuscate over the real issues...
in the long run, your rabble-rousing noise is just that.. noise.. because empty vessels are the loudest...
go figure out what the real issues are.. and why they require debate.. instead of ranting and raging.. because, pardon me, your slip is showing...
If you owned a company and in this current economics climate if your sight is only on lowering cost than you are already in a loosing streak.Singaporean has to address the topics of productivities, and expanding market shared if you think that hiring a cheaper employees, can bring your organization to the next level think again.
Cheaper by $300 in a loosing environment or expanding environment by maintain Cost.?
So the question about how you value yourself is irrelevant vs what value you want the employees to bring to the organization.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
so there.. that's the answer isn't it?what short-sighted, long-sighted whatever..
if a foreigner can do a job better and cheaper than a local, i'll hire him.. if a local can do the job better and cheaper than a foreigner, why the hell should i hire the foreigner...
now.. Adam Khoo can hire whoever the hell he wants.. that's his business... if they're good for him, good..
ultimately it comes down to that.. choice..
or does the idiots out there in SC want the MIW to remove that choice from them? maybe they do.. so that they have something else to kpkb about...
There's a reason why our SMEs are mini-sized compared to SMEs of other countries (defined to have turnovers of $50m to $100m per year).
Our SMEs are forever short-sighted, and only look at cost. Put it bluntly, I don't think you even know how to measure what is better. More likely, you are only interested in cheaper.
Our local companies are unlike foreign companies, where they also look at whether you fit into the organization, rather than just only looking at costs.
That's why most of our SMEs are destined to remain as either a one-man or a single-digit employee company.
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Originally posted by Arapahoe:
If you owned a company and in this current economics climate if your sight is only on lowering cost than you are already in a loosing streak.Singaporean has to address the topics of productivities, and expanding market shared if you think that hiring a cheaper employees, can bring your organization to the next level think again.
Cheaper by $300 in a loosing environment or expanding environment by maintain Cost.?
So the question about how you value yourself is irrelevant vs what value you want the employees to bring to the organization.
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Originally posted by the Bear:
so there.. that's the answer isn't it?what short-sighted, long-sighted whatever..
if a foreigner can do a job better and cheaper than a local, i'll hire him.. if a local can do the job better and cheaper than a foreigner, why the hell should i hire the foreigner...
now.. Adam Khoo can hire whoever the hell he wants.. that's his business... if they're good for him, good..
ultimately it comes down to that.. choice..
or does the idiots out there in SC want the MIW to remove that choice from them? maybe they do.. so that they have something else to kpkb about...
Sad to say that isn't the end of the story. If that keeps on going... then price war...(sala wage war) with FT from China, India and whatever.
So your usual lifestyle will be worse off lor. Open flood gates to FT siao. Countries open flood gates to rich people or highly talented people to help their people.
Sg open flood gates so that cheap labour can come in and attract foreign investments to stay. Local Sg lifestyle affected is their problem.
In other words a prostitute that goes out and says "I'm cheaper!!! come <3 me!!! $20 only." Why don't the prostitute think of ways to make herself more pretty instead of lowering price?
Sg go think of ways to attract investment instead of opening flood gates to lower your cost of labour lar.
See already also luff.
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http://www.cnngo.com/singapore/none/adam-khoo-why-expats-will-rule-singapore-857716#ixzz0bnPKrXPd
On the SgForums site, angel7030 posed the notion that "it is better to let Singaporean a feel of the global market competition now rather than later, now they understand they are not worth that much to walk around, point and point there while earning a five-figure paid, these will motivate them work harder and smarter, so that in a long run, our Singaporean PMET or workers will be able to adapt to any condition set about in the global market."