A Nation Cheated selling fast!
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Originally posted by packetofblood:
hmm.. very controversial things i've read in the book.. maybe can "gek" cancer cells to come back... haha.. more ppl should read the book i feel.. but how much to believe i'm not sure.. well.. much of everything is not absolute in this world... so at least it presents an alternative view to all the propaganda we've been fed since young.. indeed a "fairytale starring LKY"..
actually, most people today just know that LKY was the leader of singapore in the past. the rest of the stuff, people don't really care that much.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
how you know these people never believed in social welfare?
the rest of the stuff is debatable, like CSJ has the power to give LHL cancer, but let's just debate on that point for now.
"In Singapore, a society barely above the poverty line, welfarism would have broken and impoverished us….. Since I was first saddled with responsibility…. I have developed a deep aversion to welfarism and social security, because I have seen it sap the dynamism of people to work their best. What we have attempted in Singapore is asset enhancement, not subsidies. We have attempted to give each person enough chips to be able to play at the table of life. This has kept the people self-reliant, keen and strong…. Most have hoarded their growing wealth and have lived better on the interests and dividends they earn." - Lee Kuan Yew, 1970s.“We have treated welfare as a dirty word. The opposition, I think the Workers’ Party, has called for a ‘permanent unconditional needs-based welfare system’. I think that is an even dirtier five words,” - PM Lee Hsien Loong in a speech on Nov. 13, 2006
Now do you know if they believe in Social Welfarism ?
If you know something about Singapore Politics, you should know that Lee Hsien Loong had suffered from cancer - reported to be lymphoma - and the report had indicated that although he has recovered from an 8-in-10 chance of a cure, he still remains within the 20 per cent group who will get a relapse. It also stated that "even if he does not get a relapse in the first three years, it does not mean that the cancer will definitely never return. BG Lee will have to live with this uncertainty for the rest of his life".
Stress was never determined to be a contributing factor to having cancer, even when Chinese Specialists in Cancer had determined this.
A Malaysian Lawyer writing to LHL had also informed that after being being cured from cancer and allowed to work by the doctors, the Lawyer felt he was getting worse. The medical condition improved when the Lawyer gave up his practise for a less stressful life. [See reference below]
Do you know that PM LHL has the largest number of Ministers-without-Portfolio in the PM's Office ?
By now you must understand the reasons for MM LKY to hang around and demolish any possible signs of serious threats of disturbance during his son's term as PM ?
Looking back at LKY's efforts in leading the demonish charge to "fix" the Workers' Party candidates JBJ, Francis Seow and Tang Liang Hong after the 1997 Elections - based on the flimsiest reason even at the risk of his reputation being ridiculed. [Read reference below : Singapore Vulnerable Democracy]
The reason was quite obvious, as LHL was about to become the next PM, after recovering from cancer.
CSJ may not have the power to give LHL the cancer, but CSJ will surely have the power to give LHL alot of stress that will result in the return of cancer to LHL.
‘Lee Hsien Loong and his battle with Cancer’
‘Singapore vulnerable Democracy’
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Kinokuniya only order 10 sets for his first order ?
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Originally posted by Atobe:
"In Singapore, a society barely above the poverty line, welfarism would have broken and impoverished us….. Since I was first saddled with responsibility…. I have developed a deep aversion to welfarism and social security, because I have seen it sap the dynamism of people to work their best. What we have attempted in Singapore is asset enhancement, not subsidies. We have attempted to give each person enough chips to be able to play at the table of life. This has kept the people self-reliant, keen and strong…. Most have hoarded their growing wealth and have lived better on the interests and dividends they earn." - Lee Kuan Yew, 1970s.“We have treated welfare as a dirty word. The opposition, I think the Workers’ Party, has called for a ‘permanent unconditional needs-based welfare system’. I think that is an even dirtier five words,” - PM Lee Hsien Loong in a speech on Nov. 13, 2006
Now do you know if they believe in Social Welfarism ?
If you know something about Singapore Politics, you should know that Lee Hsien Loong had suffered from cancer - reported to be lymphoma - and the report had indicated that although he has recovered from an 8-in-10 chance of a cure, he still remains within the 20 per cent group who will get a relapse. It also stated that "even if he does not get a relapse in the first three years, it does not mean that the cancer will definitely never return. BG Lee will have to live with this uncertainty for the rest of his life".
Stress was never determined to be a contributing factor to having cancer, even when Chinese Specialists in Cancer had determined this.
A Malaysian Lawyer writing to LHL had also informed that after being being cured from cancer and allowed to work by the doctors, the Lawyer felt he was getting worse. The medical condition improved when the Lawyer gave up his practise for a less stressful life. [See reference below]
Do you know that PM LHL has the largest number of Ministers-without-Portfolio in the PM's Office ?
By now you must understand the reasons for MM LKY to hang around and demolish any possible signs of serious threats of disturbance during his son's term as PM ?
Looking back at LKY's efforts in leading the demonish charge to "fix" the Workers' Party candidates JBJ, Francis Seow and Tang Liang Hong after the 1997 Elections - based on the flimsiest reason even at the risk of his reputation being ridiculed. [Read reference below : Singapore Vulnerable Democracy]
The reason was quite obvious, as LHL was about to become the next PM, after recovering from cancer.
CSJ may not have the power to give LHL the cancer, but CSJ will surely have the power to give LHL alot of stress that will result in the return of cancer to LHL.
‘Lee Hsien Loong and his battle with Cancer’
‘Singapore vulnerable Democracy’
very good, you have found the source to back up your ideas. but can you just let go of the cancer thingie? it doesn't really contribute to your argument one bit.
Indeed, singapore's aproach to social welfare is different from other nations. it is based more on CPF, where the government and the boss will contribute money towards your retirement, and you can draw this money when you are old. than they change it to annualties, stuff like that.
unlike US, there is no welfare cheque. or australia, where the government gives you allowance if you are unemployed, the people in singapore has to earn their retirement funds. there are still various charities you can draw upon, study bursaries, but they are more like for student, children, people with disabilities. in short, people who can't really work.
i think that is the picture i am seeing.
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Shame you borders.
And since Sgforums no longer have signature feature, I've decided to add one myself
I'm a victim of grave abuses from psychotic people in power with access to telepathic person(s) in Singapore . All abuses are to convince people I'm mentally ill to cover their grave evil. Telepathy is not a far off fiction. It's a fact.
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In case you are wondering below is my sig, Oh yea I'm planning to add it in any post except in religious forums. I've had something similar in every other forums aside from SGforum which for no reason decided to eliminate signature feature in its upgrade.
I'm a victim of grave abuses from psychotic people in power with access to telepathic person(s) in Singapore . All abuses are to convince people I'm mentally ill to cover their grave evil. Telepathy is not a far off fiction. It's a fact.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
actually, most people today just know that LKY was the leader of singapore in the past. the rest of the stuff, people don't really care that much.
those who do not know history are doomed to repeat it. Its as important to how how we got here and what we have achieved.
doing the right thing is the hardest. even for all this progress, is it right to do it on the blood of other people.
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i just got a copy today..
$14.55 at Kinokuniya..
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I brought the book and finished the book. Hey folks it is a very good book. I initially tot Chee was a mad man but after reading the book I have a second thought.
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Originally posted by tohelp:
I brought the book and finished the book. Hey folks it is a very good book. I initially tot Chee was a mad man but after reading the book I have a second thought.
Agreed.
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Originally posted by skythewood:
very good, you have found the source to back up your ideas. but can you just let go of the cancer thingie? it doesn't really contribute to your argument one bit.
Indeed, singapore's aproach to social welfare is different from other nations. it is based more on CPF, where the government and the boss will contribute money towards your retirement, and you can draw this money when you are old. than they change it to annualties, stuff like that.
unlike US, there is no welfare cheque. or australia, where the government gives you allowance if you are unemployed, the people in singapore has to earn their retirement funds. there are still various charities you can draw upon, study bursaries, but they are more like for student, children, people with disabilities. in short, people who can't really work.
i think that is the picture i am seeing.
Right or Wrong - you will see what you wish to see, and like the old proverbial saying goes : "A thirsty horse can be led to the water, but no one can force it to drink".
If cancer is not something of concern to you, it is certainly to MM LKY - who had commented that LHL is now hung up on meditation to relieve himself of stress - as mentioned in the references in my previous post.
An indication of how serious that the cancer issue is being taken, one need only to look at the set-up of the PM's office during LKY and GCT term as PM.
Do you know that when LKY was in the PM chair, he had only one Minister-without-Portfolio in his Cabinet - {with Ong Teng Cheong the NTUC Sec-Gen being made a Minister without Portfolio in the PM's Office}; and when GCT was the PM, he had two Ministers-without-Portfolio in the PM's office - {then Lee Yock Suan and Lim Boon Heng} ?
In LHL's cabinet, he has three Ministers in his PM's Office - S. Jayakumar as a DPM and holding a new office of Co-ordinating Minister for National Security, Lim Boon Heng and Lim Swee Say are both Ministers-without-Portfolio.
This is quite obvious that LHL's workload is now split amongst three other person to assist him, and leaving him with a less stressful workload - and sufficient time for his meditation - to prolong his own state of health with no chance for the cancer to return.
With the workload under control, all that is left now is to prevent external factors that can put pressure on LHL, and these are the political challenges that can arise outside of the Ruling Party.
The most serious contender that will pose a challenge that can embarrass LHL and the Ruling Party is a vocal maverick such as CSJ and his SDP - if they are allowed to rebuild themselves.
If you can see that the government do not pay out any cash or cheques - it is obvious that this Government do not practise Social Welfarism.
Do not mix your views between support from the Charities to the under-privilege with Social Welfare - as they are two different matters.
With regards to your views on 'Social Welfare' in the Singapore Style that you have stated - you must be coming out of some dream land to believe that "it is based more on CPF, where the government and the boss will contribute money towards your retirement...."
Concerning your statement that the government contribute to the CPF - I will ask you how this government contribution to the individual CPF account has helped in any significant ways for the retirement of Singaporeans ?
Do you seriously believe that the miserly few hundred dollars paid out PER ANNUM as Economic Progress Payout - or some other fancy term can be considered as sufficient from this Government, when almost immediately this Government will raise the service charges for some other Government services ?
On the part concerning the CPF contribution made by the Employers - Singaporeans have the wrong view that the Employers' CPF contribution is NOT part of the Workers' Wage.
CPF is a monthly contribution by every Worker at a determined percentage to be deducted from the monthly wage, and with another part being contributed by the Employer directly to the CPF. These contributions from the Worker and the Employer form the bulk of the CPF that is available to Singaporeans who contribute for their own retirement.
This is NOT Social Welfare.
For your understanding - you could simply google for the definition of the term "Social Welfare" - and the main explanation will state that the Government, or some Public or Private entities - is providing sufficient funds to help the under-privilege in a Society; or for the benefit of the society during contingency or extraneious circumstances.
Surely, you will not consider yourself as being an under-privilege person in Singapore when you can contribute to your own CPF Retirement Fund ?
During the extraneous circumstances when Singaporeans were faced with the unexpected economic downturns of 1987, 1997 and 2002 - were Singaporeans allowed to draw on the CPF funds to meet such extraneous contingencies ?
The CPF remains locked, and with no cash handouts being given to support the majority of Singaporeans - many Singaporeans living in the rented HDB One-Room units defaulted on their utility bills, and had their Electrical and Water Supply cut.
Social Welfare in Singapore remains a dirty word and do not exist in the vocabulary of the Ruling Political Party, and they were thrown out from the World Socialist Democrat Movement as early as in the mid-1970s.
This Singapore Government has adopted Stalinist type Communism for political control on Singapore civil society, and Capitalism to manage the socio-economic environment.
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I am so happy to see you guys ;) , my hope is not all gone :) "at least" there are ppl that care....... i'm not CSJ but i agree with him, not all may understand.
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Originally posted by tohelp:
I brought the book and finished the book. Hey folks it is a very good book. I initially tot Chee was a mad man but after reading the book I have a second thought.
If you find his book interesting, you should try reading also his other books:-
"Dare to Change : An Alternative Vision for Singapore" - 1994
"Singapore, My Home Too" - 1995
"Your Future, My Faith, Our Freedom : A Democratic Blueprint for Singapore" - 2001
"The Power of Courage : Effecting Political Change in Singapore Through Nonviolence" - 2005
After reading the book written in 1994, you will note that some of his views - concerning Singapore Education and Employment - saw parallel policy changes adopted by the PAP Government in 2001.
The changes had to happen as the Economic Review Committee formed and headed by then DPM LHL after the first economic recession in 1987 refused to adopt some of the recommended policy changes produced by several sub-committees.
DPM LHL had then attempted to convince Singaporeans that all stones will not be left unturned, and then insisted that some stones are best left alone.
With the second economic downturn that slammed into Singapore in 1997, left the Government with no choice but to adopt drastic changes that were almost identical to the recommendation in CSJ's book written in 1994.
If CSJ is perceived to be mad by some skeptics, perhaps those who are insane has the better ability to see and speak the truth as it is, while those who are sane are tempered by self-preservation and self-interest.
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Originally posted by Atobe:
Right or Wrong - you will see what you wish to see, and like the old proverbial saying goes : "A thirsty horse can be led to the water, but no one can force it to drink".
If cancer is not something of concern to you, it is certainly to MM LKY - who had commented that LHL is now hung up on meditation to relieve himself of stress - as mentioned in the references in my previous post.
An indication of how serious that the cancer issue is being taken, one need only to look at the set-up of the PM's office during LKY and GCT term as PM.
Do you know that when LKY was in the PM chair, he had only one Minister-without-Portfolio in his Cabinet - {with Ong Teng Cheong the NTUC Sec-Gen being made a Minister without Portfolio in the PM's Office}; and when GCT was the PM, he had two Ministers-without-Portfolio in the PM's office - {then Lee Yock Suan and Lim Boon Heng} ?
In LHL's cabinet, he has three Ministers in his PM's Office - S. Jayakumar as a DPM and holding a new office of Co-ordinating Minister for National Security, Lim Boon Heng and Lim Swee Say are both Ministers-without-Portfolio.
This is quite obvious that LHL's workload is now split amongst three other person to assist him, and leaving him with a less stressful workload - and sufficient time for his meditation - to prolong his own state of health with no chance for the cancer to return.
With the workload under control, all that is left now is to prevent external factors that can put pressure on LHL, and these are the political challenges that can arise outside of the Ruling Party.
The most serious contender that will pose a challenge that can embarrass LHL and the Ruling Party is a vocal maverick such as CSJ and his SDP - if they are allowed to rebuild themselves.
If you can see that the government do not pay out any cash or cheques - it is obvious that this Government do not practise Social Welfarism.
Do not mix your views between support from the Charities to the under-privilege with Social Welfare - as they are two different matters.
With regards to your views on 'Social Welfare' in the Singapore Style that you have stated - you must be coming out of some dream land to believe that "it is based more on CPF, where the government and the boss will contribute money towards your retirement...."
Concerning your statement that the government contribute to the CPF - I will ask you how this government contribution to the individual CPF account has helped in any significant ways for the retirement of Singaporeans ?
Do you seriously believe that the miserly few hundred dollars paid out PER ANNUM as Economic Progress Payout - or some other fancy term can be considered as sufficient from this Government, when almost immediately this Government will raise the service charges for some other Government services ?
On the part concerning the CPF contribution made by the Employers - Singaporeans have the wrong view that the Employers' CPF contribution is NOT part of the Workers' Wage.
CPF is a monthly contribution by every Worker at a determined percentage to be deducted from the monthly wage, and with another part being contributed by the Employer directly to the CPF. These contributions from the Worker and the Employer form the bulk of the CPF that is available to Singaporeans who contribute for their own retirement.
This is NOT Social Welfare.
For your understanding - you could simply google for the definition of the term "Social Welfare" - and the main explanation will state that the Government, or some Public or Private entities - is providing sufficient funds to help the under-privilege in a Society; or for the benefit of the society during contingency or extraneious circumstances.
Surely, you will not consider yourself as being an under-privilege person in Singapore when you can contribute to your own CPF Retirement Fund ?
During the extraneous circumstances when Singaporeans were faced with the unexpected economic downturns of 1987, 1997 and 2002 - were Singaporeans allowed to draw on the CPF funds to meet such extraneous contingencies ?
The CPF remains locked, and with no cash handouts being given to support the majority of Singaporeans - many Singaporeans living in the rented HDB One-Room units defaulted on their utility bills, and had their Electrical and Water Supply cut.
Social Welfare in Singapore remains a dirty word and do not exist in the vocabulary of the Ruling Political Party, and they were thrown out from the World Socialist Democrat Movement as early as in the mid-1970s.
This Singapore Government has adopted Stalinist type Communism for political control on Singapore civil society, and Capitalism to manage the socio-economic environment.
no, it is not social welfare. it is the people work for themselves, and employers matching what the workers contributed. it is more retirement fund. social welfare is taken from taxes, here the people get back what they earn, til they retire.
sorry, didn't really read your post after seeing the cancer bit, so i probably miss alot of points.
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Originally posted by Mummified:
I am so happy to see you guys ;) , my hope is not all gone :) "at least" there are ppl that care....... i'm not CSJ but i agree with him, not all may understand.
You Rest In Peace, i will send you flowers on your anniversary. Goodbye -
actually.. if CSJ would be one of the leaders of sg.. or the mp or timah-holland grc... i 1st to sell all my property..
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actually.. if CSJ would be one of the leaders of sg.. or the mp or timah-holland grc... i 1st to sell all my property..
Why?
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This woody Goh CT although always got humiliated when he opened his mouth in support of PAP policies, was able to control the country's public debts at reasonable levels.
Maybe it's his economics background or maybe he's just lucky.
Loony is a flop. At one time, the public was 106% of GDP. That's why many forms of taxation is used to reduce the public debt. The citizens are suffering for his reckless public expenditure.
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got home delivery?
coz most kinokuniya all in downtown.
14.55 is small amount consider what we can gain from the books.
hmmm.. alternative views i mean.
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is the alternative views ideas to improve the country? or just more mudslinging?
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why not free?
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Originally posted by elementalangel:
actually.. if CSJ would be one of the leaders of sg.. or the mp or timah-holland grc... i 1st to sell all my property..
I supposed when you said that you have a reason for saying that.. so y?
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actually if you do google search for his works theres alot online too... i have read alot of it and i really understands, but he was a bit too desperate at times.... but who wont ? when you know something you wanted so much and the nation wanted so much is just within reaches but its so hard to make willing but suppressed ppl talk and walk........... the feeling of wanting something too much and being suppressed too much sometimes make ppl go overboard out of frustration....