Should Wong Kan Seng step down or take a pay cut?
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i rather give him a pay cut. means he has another chance to prove to us that he is capable. to just force him to step down, means that we don't give ppl chance.
giving him a paycut also means that he don't get away with his incompetence, just like all of us.
if he just carry on life without anything imposed on him. isn't fair to the rest of us singaporeans.
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he should seriously step down. cut pay to him is just peanut.
n those guards who fail n letting the prisoner to escape, no year bonus for them!
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"Ho Peng Kee is the younger brother of Ho Ching" how is Singapore different from other most corrupted countries. Corruption Collusion Nepotism. Prime Minister Son became Prime Minister, Prime Minister's wife's brother became Minister. Minister's cousin secures government contracts............WTF
Government investment agencies are not transparent, they are managing our money and we have the right to know where the money has gone and where is the money invested. Made 35% return and report 20%, 15% goes to Swiss Bank. Lose 50% and raise GST to 7% to top-up their casino chips.
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Originally posted by 798:
he should seriously step down. cut pay to him is just peanut.
n those guards who fail n letting the prisoner to escape, no year bonus for them!
hmm stepping down is one thing. who's gonna take over?
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Wong Kan Seng's wife is the daughter of Lee Kuan Yew's brother.
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Originally posted by Caitaokue:
"Ho Peng Kee is the younger brother of Ho Ching" how is Singapore different from other most corrupted countries. Corruption Collusion Nepotism. Prime Minister Son became Prime Minister, Prime Minister's wife's brother became Minister. Minister's cousin secures government contracts............WTF
Government investment agencies are not transparent, they are managing our money and we have the right to know where the money has gone and where is the money invested. Made 35% return and report 20%, 15% goes to Swiss Bank. Lose 50% and raise GST to 7% to top-up their casino chips.
good wor,all one big happy family,
whatever happens in the family,
stays in the family.
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wow.....looks like we need an independent committee to look into nepotism in singapore politics.
LKY son now PM
Ho Ching's brother alledgedly is Ho Peng Kee
WKS wife is daughter of LKY's brother
this is getting fun....
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looks like we need an independent committee to look into nepotism in singapore politics.
Gold fall from the sky more possible.
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Asian values behind Singapore son's rise
By Gary LaMoshi
HONG KONG - Despite well-publicized signs that Singapore is loosening up by allowing dancing on bars, funding performances that include the f-word, and even legalizing chewing gum (for medicinal purposes, available from pharmacists) under pressure from United States trade negotiators, writer Alfian Sa'at contends little has changed.
"Remaking Singapore" - the government's campaign to encourage creativity among the island's 3.8 million citizens - "is nothing more than Re-branding Singapore," he claims. According to Sa'at, the list of restrictions on freedom of expression recently grew. "Dynasty and nepotism - definitely taboo," warns the enfant terrible of Singapore's literary scene on the eve of the good son rising to the office of prime minister.
Singapore celebrates National Day on August 9. In future years, perhaps in connection with its campaign to increase the birth rate, August 12 may come to be known as Family Day. On that date this week, Lee Hsien Loong, the oldest son of Singapore's founding father Lee Kuan Yew, takes over from Goh Chok Tong to become the island nation's third prime minister.
The younger Lee was elected to Parliament following a military career that saw him reach Brigadier-General by the age of 32. After his father stepped aside in 1990, Lee warmed up for the prime minister's job by serving as finance minister and central bank governor. He's expected to cede at least one of those posts in the new Cabinet.
Current Prime Minister Goh has been tapped to succeed Lee Kuan Yew as senior minister, which Lee calls the "number two" post. The elder Lee promises that, whatever title he's given, he will continue to exercise significant influence and speak out on key issues, privileges still denied average citizens in this state created in Lee's own image.
The party line is that Lee Kuan Yew discouraged his son from joining the political fray. That's another dubious tale from the Singapore myth machine. That mechanism's greatest achievement is perpetrating the lie that Singapore ranks among the freest economies on earth (See Singapore's capitalist myth November 7, 2002).
It probably feels like a free enough economy for the Lee family. In addition to his key economic posts, the incoming prime minister's wife, Ho Ching, chairs Temasek, the state investment corporation that scratches acquisitive itches at home and abroad using the Finance Ministry's checkbook, while his younger brother, Lee Hsien Yang, heads SingTel, the state-owned telecom company that is spreading its wires around the globe. That's not just a nanny state, it's a socialist family business.
Lee Kuan Yew deserves praise for raising Singapore from a down at the heels harbor town cut loose by Malaysia into a modern economic showplace. Based on that success, Lee and his People's Action Party could have dominated the political scene fair and square.
Instead, Singapore's leadership developed the bad habit of using the apparatus of government to stifle opposition. But trusting in the judgment of others isn't in Lee's nature. Neither is humility for this man whose success in tiny Singapore has led him to offer prescriptions of the world at large, the equivalent of getting 100% on a spelling test and thinking that is sufficient to practice medicine.
Before the economic crisis, Lee lectured the world about what he called Asian values. At the center of these Asia values was the appealing notion that Asians - except some very special ones named Lee, for example - sacrificed individual aspirations for the greater good of society. After drinking some of this Kool-Aid before I moved to Hong Kong a decade ago, my discovery of real Asian values was a great disappointment.
Rather than a heightened sense of responsibility to society at large, I've noticed precisely the opposite. East Asians generally show little consideration for people around them, whether it's rampant spitting in Hong Kong, complete disregard for other vehicles by motorists, bicyclists and even pedestrians in Bali, or simply the unwillingness to help a bewildered visitor without a product or service to sell him. Asians raise indifference - as opposed to outright rudeness, as practiced in my native New York - to an art form.
This bewildered visitor couldn't understand the contradiction between Lee's Asian values and Asian behavior until an Indonesian friend came to the rescue. Of course we sacrifice for the greater good, she explained, but that greater good extends no farther than our own clan. The closer the connection, the more we'll sacrifice, so we'll do the most for our families, then perhaps our friends. But without some personal connection, we couldn't care less.
That understanding of Asian values makes Asian behavior much clearer. For example, it puts the Asian economic crisis of the late 1990s and the ineffectiveness of subsequent reforms into a sensible perspective. Crony capitalism wasn't the result of some structural or legal deficiency that can be fixed through restructuring or stricter regulation, it was, and is, a natural consequence of the government and its business supporters becoming a clan unto themselves. Until governments stop playing a leading role in national economies, the problems underlying the crisis will persist.
Asian values explain the widespread acceptance of Indonesia's disgraced former president Suharto turning his children into business tycoons, and why families loll down a crowded sidewalk as if they own it. Most of all, Asian values explain why, even with a population that he declared was prepared to sacrifice for the greater good, Lee Kuan Yew fashioned Singapore into a restrictive society that proscribes choices narrowly.
When he takes office on Thursday, Lee Hsien Loong will become the fourth ruler in East Asia currently occupying their father's old post. He'll join Philippine President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri, and North Korea's Dear Leader Kim Jong-il, whose dead father remains head of state. The younger Lee is the first to reach the top while his predecessor-father remains on the scene.
So instead of worrying about taboos and restrictions on freedom, let's celebrate Lee Hsien Loong's ascension as a grand triumph of Lee Kuan Yew's celebrated Asian values. They've always been a family affair.Source: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/FH10Ae02.html
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M13 and the guys, if you are interested to explore the PAP family tree, why not start a new thread?
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better not, the more we investigate, the more agitated and angry we get.
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Originally posted by TCH05:
M13 and the guys, if you are interested to explore the PAP family tree, why not start a new thread?
Related what.If they are all family, surely asking him to step down is 100% nonsense.
If you look at his political career. I think it's a fat chance that he will resign.
He won his first election, the following year he was appointed Minister of State already.
If you look at the political careers of these people, they are like a raging bull on steroids.
I think what Poh Ah Pak said has some basis of truth in it.
"Mr Wong contested and won in the 1984 Parliamentary election as the People's Action Party candidate for the Kuo Chuan Constituency in Toa Payoh. Since then, he was re-elected as Member of Parliament for the Toa Payoh (1988), Thomson (1991) and Bishan-Toa Payoh (1997, 2001 and 2006) Group Representation Constituencies.
In February 1985, Mr Wong was appointed Minister of State (Home Affairs, briefly) and (Community Development), and (Communications and Information). In the following year, he was appointed the Acting Minister for Community Development and Minister of State (Communications and Information).
In 1987, Mr Wong became the Minister for Community Development, a position he held till 1991. In that same year, he was appointed as the Leader of the House (Parliament) and held the position till March 2007. He was also concurrently the Second Minister for Foreign Affairs, and became the Minister for Foreign Affairs in 1988. He is now the Home Affairs Minister (since 1994).
Mr Wong was appointed the Deputy Prime Minister on 1 September 2005. He also chairs a number of ministerial-level committees which coordinate work across several ministries, for example, on crisis management, on community engagement and on population. Mr Wong is also the co-Chairman of the Singapore-China Joint Council for Bilateral Cooperation and the Suzhou Industrial Park Joint Steering Committee, as well as the Qatar-Singapore High Level Joint Committee.
Mr Wong was the Deputy Chairman of People's Association for 15 years from 1992 to 2006."
Source: http://www.cabinet.gov.sg/CabinetAppointments/Mr%2BWong%2BKan%2BSeng.htm
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Singapore, Why You Not Give Opposite a Chance???!!!!
Even though the government tries to pull the best talents under their wings with temptations and sweetener........
Even though the leftover are of sub-standard and cannot speak proper english.........
But even if their england is not very powderful.....
But if the pork seller at my hawker centre runs for election, I will still VOTE for him.
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Originally posted by Caitaokue:
Singapore, Why You Not Give Opposite a Chance???!!!!
Even though the government tries to pull the best talents under their wings with temptations and sweetener........
Even though the leftover are of sub-standard and cannot speak proper english.........
But even if their england is not very powderful.....
But if the pork seller at my hawker centre runs for election, I will still VOTE for him.
Agree, I would vote for pork seller too.The current shortage of good opposition politicians is a result of our P4P's action.
They stifle the growth of opposition to maintain total dominance over this island.
Unless you break the stranglehold they have on this island's polictics, there will never be good opposition politicians.
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but be prepared. if you run for opposition, they will expose the fact that you took a pee under a tree 30 years ago and you didn't clean your backside after taking a dump at takashimaya toilet.
or you took $20 from your company's petty cash to pay for $19.90 taxi fair and never return the 10 cents. But they will not tell the public you pay $50 to buy toilet paper for the company and never claim.
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I think the WISEST they should do now
is to appear apologetic, very sincere,
admit what needs to be or can be or should be or could be admitted. do what needs to be done. repair what needs to be repaired. reward or reprimand whoever it may be. show the world how transparent, impartial, 1st world, democratic , meritocratic sg is or can be. Meritocracy to me means, if no good, kenna something. If good good, get bonus.
The bottom line, for their long term good, is to convince the people
how seriously they view this issue in respect of sg security, people's security, businessmen and investors' impression etc.
I am curious to find out how they will eventually wrap this thing up and how they will respond to the public.
Their response is super crucial in my opine.
they have never been in this shoe.
all this time, quite rosey and even up till getting the chance to y.olumpi.
In GOOD Times, its easy.
In Crucial Times, the test is on.
I must say, I have super bombastic confidence in them able to respond well and close the case such that no public will have doubts in them.
u belif right?
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It's time to have Supermax prison style in Singapore liao.
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Originally posted by 798:
he should seriously step down. cut pay to him is just peanut.
n those guards who fail n letting the prisoner to escape, no year bonus for them!
I think we need not speculate what will happen.Now is sg's chance to show the world,
how
Fair, Unbiased, Meritocratic, Democratic
it actually is.
That everyone is treated fairly - i.e. like the old saying,
even if a prince makes mistake, he is punished like a commoner.
of course, I not saying anyone is a prince. I am saying i believe sg is fair and just in rewarding and punishing people.
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No need pay cut, he can't get performance bonus for sure
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give him a paycut first. if an MRT blows up due to JI terrorist attack, still can fire him.
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Sure will happen the bombing, but dont know when only? Our country is in target because we helped "Lau Ta" USA
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Wong Kan Send should definitely resign.
By saying "let's not speculate", it's as good as saying "I do not want to take responsibility".
It's as good as saying "Shh! Shh! Keep quiet," then give no answer, taking as though all Singaporeans are stupid.
If he stays on, Singapore is not safe.
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Originally posted by t_a_s:
Sure will happen the bombing, but dont know when only? Our country is in target because we helped "Lau Ta" USA
lol of course help usa la. its an unwritten rule. in anything, support usa first..
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Singapore is sometimes seen as a lackey of the USA.
I don't mind Singapore being pro-USA.
But I don't like the propaganda media keep on spreading pro-USA, pro-Israel propaganda.
This will distort reality and mislead public opinion.