any1 heard of I-Kuan Tao
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any1 heard of this ?
i have some relatives inside this religion .
anyway it's the third most popular religion in Taiwan .
some links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Guan_Dao
taiwan yearbook
http://english.www.gov.tw/Yearbook/index.jsp?categid=29&recordid=52740
http://www.with.org/english.htm -
I went inside 1 of their temples before
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singapore 1 ?Originally posted by maggot:I went inside 1 of their temples before
I went to many of their temples including malaysia ones . -
Yes. However, Yi Guan Dao is not orthodox Buddhism, and does not represent Buddhism. It is not recognised in this forum. More info, see: http://www.buddhistcouncil.org/cults.htm. This organisation although claims to be from a lineage since Buddha's times, is in fact created 70 years ago. It incorporates teachings from various religions. However its teachings are not similar as Buddhism.Originally posted by Taiwanpolitics:any1 heard of this ?
i have some relatives inside this religion .
anyway it's the third most popular religion in Taiwan .
some links
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yi_Guan_Dao
taiwan yearbook
http://english.www.gov.tw/Yearbook/index.jsp?categid=29&recordid=52740
http://www.with.org/english.htm
If we want to attain Buddha's enlightenment, liberation, nirvana, we should take refuge in zheng4 xing4 (orthodox) Buddhism, and practise under an enlightened teacher's guidance. -
yup..there are two in s'pore.Originally posted by Taiwanpolitics:singapore 1 ?
I went to many of their temples including malaysia ones .
one in redhill..the other is in serangoon or sengkang..if im not wrong.. -
Their funeral chants something that I have never heard of it in my life...
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hmm..nv got to hear it.Originally posted by maggot:Their funeral chants something that I have never heard of it in my life...
wad's odd abt it? -
Not the usual buddhist or taoist type of funeral prayers.Originally posted by yuko-ogura:hmm..nv got to hear it.
wad's odd abt it? -
Yi Guan tao started from the End of Ming Dynasty as a cult known as
White Lotus Society.
Their belief in Maitreya Buddha as next Buddha , the birthless old mother
is not in line with the Buddhist teachings
Buddhist community does not recognised this movement due to its compulsion oath -taking and treat Buddhist like a kept secret .If reveal,will be punished
Buddha always encourage the spirit of free -enquiry,so my answer is enough to answer about this society -
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Originally posted by bohiruci:
Yes. To add on that.. Maitreya Bodhisattva will be the next Buddha, however it certainly isn't time yet. That will be according to Buddhist sutras millions or billions of years away, long after the teachings of Shakyamuni has completely disappeared from the face of Earth, and also the sutras also described how the cities and lifes of people will be like at that time. Furthermore any Buddhas must be complete with the 32 major marks and 80 minor marks (see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty-two_marks_of_the_Buddha), and ever since Shakyamuni we have never met anyone like that.
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Their belief in Maitreya Buddha as next Buddha , the birthless old mother
is not in line with the Buddhist teachings
It is certainly not anything like the current era. It will be a completely different era. Therefore, Buddhists can be 100% sure and certain that Maitreya Buddha has not attained Buddhahood here, and any attempts to claim that the Buddhist Maitreya has attained Buddhahood is simply not true in the context of Buddhism.
See: http://web.singnet.com.sg/~alankhoo/Maitreya.htm. Obviously we have never encountered anything like what Shakyamuni prophecised.
Another thing is, the sutra about Maitreya in Yi Guan Dao is also not from Shakyamuni, and is authored by themselves.
Another article about Maitreya that is simple to read: The next Buddha -
ExactlyOriginally posted by bohiruci:Buddhist community does not recognised this movement due to its compulsion oath -taking and treat Buddhist like a kept secret .If reveal,will be punished
Buddha always encourage the spirit of free -enquiry,so my answer is enough to answer about this society
My taiwanese teacher say... where got religion say take oath thunder strike you one 
In Buddhism, we say we take Bodhisattva vows and liberate and save all sentient beings and attain Buddhahood 
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erm the 1 i go is redhill 1 cos it's nearer .
i also visit home based temples sometimes . -
Tian Tao
Tian Tao or I Kuan Tao is a modern, syncretic faith and the third most popular religion in Taiwan. The Chinese words I Kuan Tao can be roughly translated as the Religion of One Unity. It is a religious doctrine that draws upon both traditional Chinese teachings and each of the world's major religions. This religion attempts to identify common principles underlying Taoism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, Judaism and Hinduism. Tian Tao believes that by uncovering a single set of universal truths, the "increasing chaos" of modern times can be defeated and the world can live peacefully in harmony. They believe in a God beyond all other gods, called Ming-ming Shang-ti (the God of Clarity).
It may have its roots with the Bai Lian Jiao (White Lotus Sect) which created several political unrests for both the Qing court (1644 - 1911) and foreign powers, such as the British, French and so forth who have seized the lands from the hands of the Qing court since the Opium War. Bai Lian Jiao is closely related to the Chinese Christian cult, Tai Ping Tian Guo, founded by Hong Xiu Quan, in the late Qing dynasty. Hong Xiu Quan believed himself as Jesus Christ's heavenly brother, which was sent to Earth by Lord God to liberate Chinese people from imperial oppression. Lands were belonged by Lord God and not the Qing court, hence poor and uneducated peasants in ten of thousands accepted his teachings. Heavenly King Yang Xiu Ching, the Minister of State for Tai Ping Tian Guo, tried to seize the power and authority of Emperor Hong Xiu Quan. To legitimize his authority, he occasionally lapsed into trances in which his voice supposedly became that of the Lord's. In one of his trances, Heavenly King Yang Xiu Ching claimed that the Lord demanded Hong Xiu Quan be whipped for kicking one of his concubines. Emperor Hong Xiu Quan had Heavenly King Yang Xiu Ching murdered by Wei Chang Hui, a Tai Ping Tian Guo general. The followers of Heavenly King Yang Xiu Ching later formed the Bai Lian Jiao.
Another source stated that Tian Tao was evolved from Xian Tian Tao which was founded by 9th Patriarch Huang De Hui of the Shun Zhi period of Qing Dynasty. Huang De Hui combined the three main belief systems of China with a belief in the Wu Sheng Lao Mu (Great Mother) to form Xian Tian Tao. Bodhidharma is credited as the 1st Patriarch, the first five Chinese Chan Patriarchs are credited as 2nd to 6th Patriarchs. Bai Ma became the 7th Patriarch and the 8th Patriarch is Luo Wei Qun. The lines of patriarch of Xian Tian Tao continue into the present I Kuan Tao. The 15th Patriarch had made some major changes in the formulas and goals of Xian Tian Tao. And it is the 16th Patriarch Liu Ching Xu renamed the group as I Kuan Tao. The 18th Patriarch is the last in line of the patriarchs.
The followers of I Kuan Tao claimed that it is a distinguished lineage back over 2000 years when it begins from the ancient Chinese astrolgers, emperors, Confucius, and so forth. From 18th Ancient Patriarch Mencius, the lineage travels to the west, the lineage began from Shakyamuni Buddha, Mahakashyapa to 28th Indian Patriarch Bodhidharma. But the modern practice of Tian Tao, as we know it today, was established about 70 years ago. In the 1930, Shi Zueng Zhang Tian Ran and Shi Mu Sun Hui Ming, became the 18th Patriarch and started their practice I Kuan Tao in Chi Nan City, Shang Dong Province of China. Their work spread by word of mouth, and by 1946 I Kuan Tao became prevalent among 36 provinces of China. At the end of the Civil War in 1949, many followers in China found their beliefs incompatible with Communist doctrines. This and other reasons compelled large numbers of them to emigrate to Taiwan, Hong Kong, Korea, Japan, Singapore, Malaysia, Thailand and the Philippines. Tian Tao quickly took root in these new lands, spreading with its teachings Chinese culture and traditional family values. By increasing the number of I Kuan Tao temples, they believed that they are bringing the Buddhist "Western Paradise" to earth and creating a world of brotherhood and universal love as envisioned by Confucian teachings.
Today, they have about 4,500,000 followers in Taiwan, Korea and Japan; about 2,000,000 followers in South East Asian countries; and a growing number of adherents in countries like Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, Brazil, Argentina, South Africa, Paraguay, Italy, France, Germany, Holland and United Kingdom. In Taiwan alone, there are over 200 large and medium-sized temples and over 30,000 family shrines. -
Presently, they claimed that the founder, 17th Patriarch Lu Zhong Yi, was an incarnation of Maitreya. He has major influence and impact on the present form of I Kuan Tao. The central teaching of Tian Tao, is based on the initiation ceremony - a new formula on the Triple Gem, namely: 1. Opening of Heavenly Eye (Dian Xuan Dao), 2. Oral Transmission of the Maitreya prayer (Chuan Ko Jue), and 3. Hand Gestures (Jie He Tong). They believe that the recipient has obtained the Tao and that his name has been reserved in the heaven and erased from the lists in hell. Upon death, the recipient will ascend straight to heaven without having to endure the cycles of rebirth.
The followers of this organization must be a strict vegetarian. It is said that they will not teach and liberate three groups of people: they are butchers, fishermen and prostitutes.
Usually, their temples are painted in pure white. And they have large followers in Asia. Their selection for potential followers are very strict. Non-members of this organization are not allowed to step into their temple compound. They can only enter the temple compound through the invitation from the senior members. On the day itself, the new recruit will make to vow to keep secrets on what he/she has learnt from the temple. Why? Without asking of consert, he/she is sent to receive the "secret" formula, so-called "Triple Gem". If he/she has failed to keep the secrets, and leaked out these secrets to non-members, he/she will be killed by the 5 heavenly thunders (Wu Lei Hong Ding).
There are many works written by this cult group. There are few popular ones. For example:
1. "Maitreya Sutra" (Chinese: Mi Le Zhen Jing) is their own version of Maitreyavyakarana Sutra. It is said that this scripture was spoken by the Buddha. It talks about the benefit on having faith on Maitreya Buddha. The retinue of protectors are non-Buddhist ones, most of them are from the Chinese folk religions and not to mention the main character, Lao Mu who is Wu Sheng Lao Mu in short.
2. "The Travelogue for the Hell" (Chinese: Ti Yu You Ji) revealed by Ji Gong, a Chinese folk religion deity whose origin is unknown. This work explains about hell.
These books can be found in the free book distribution corners in the Chinese folk religion temples.
"The group is known as Ee Kwang Tao. I was invited to attend the opening of one of their 'Holy Houses'. It was one of the strangest rituals that i have ever witnessed. Following the ritual we were invited to go before the 'Master' to receive initiation. I declined on the grounds that I had been invited to attend the opening but not to join anything. After a while they approached me again and they said that the 'Master' was waiting for me and I MUST go before the 'Master'. I replied that I must not do anything of the sort as I am a traditional Buddhist and had no wish to join their organisation. I thanked them for their hospitality and said that I was leaving. As each person arrived they took their name. As I left they asked me for my name as they said that the names were being sent to heaven and, as I refused initiation, my name would have to be struck off the list. I consulted a Chinese friend about my experience and he immediately identified it as the Ee Kwang Tao cult which, as was said, is proliferating in Australia. The initiates are sworn to secrecy with the threat of harm to themselves and their family if the secrets are revealed. This dangerous cult bears no relation to Buddhism so beware of them."
Graeme Lyall (Australia), 1999.
At times, their activities are not restricted in the temple compounds. In Singapore, the very senior members who hold the posts of "Tang Zhu", can convert the new comers in their own houses. The main Singapore centre is located at Bukit Merah Central, and it is known as "Chong Hua Tong Tou Teck Hwee Building". You can see the name of the building at the main gate. It is also stated that it is "strictly for members". Their first centre was located at Upper Serangoon Road, and was demolished recently. And there are many smaller temples or community welfare centres scattered around Singapore. They are registered with Registry of Society as "Xin Jia Bo Zhong Hua Tang Dao De Hui" (Sing Gah Ball Chong Hua Tong Tou Teck Hwee) and they also work hand-in-hand with "De Jiao" founded by Thye Hua Kwan Moral Society and also with Chee Hoon Kog Moral Promotion Society for those community welfare services.
The other schools which are evolved from Xian Tian Tao, are Tung Shan She, Tien De Sheng Jiao, Tao Yuan and Tzu Hui Tang. They are independent groups and do not share the same leadership. -
Technically speaking, Ji Gong is a reincarnation of a Boddhisatva by the name of Mahakasyapa(often said to be standing beside Ananda). So don't call him without background roots.
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That would be interesting. I never hear that before. Where did you hear that?Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:Technically speaking, Ji Gong is a reincarnation of a Boddhisatva by the name of Mahakasyapa(often said to be standing beside Ananda). So don't call him without background roots. -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_GongOriginally posted by An Eternal Now:That would be interesting. I never hear that before. Where did you hear that?
Should be helpful enough... He is based in Linji Chan(Zen) school. -
According to the article, its the 'taming dragon arhat'. That is not mahakasyapa. Whether it could be a bodhisattva in disguise, we dont know. But arhats have strict observance of the precepts and furthermore have escaped the 6 realms of rebirth.Originally posted by Herzog_Zwei:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ji_Gong
Should be helpful enough... He is based in Linji Chan(Zen) school. -
Interesting. Where did you get this info from? Thks.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Presently, they claimed that the founder, 17th Patriarch Lu Zhong Yi, was an incarnation of Maitreya. He has major influence and impact on the present form of I Kuan Tao. The central teaching of Tian Tao, is based on the initiation ceremony - a new formula on the Triple Gem, namely: 1. Opening of Heavenly Eye (Dian Xuan Dao), 2. Oral Transmission of the Maitreya prayer (Chuan Ko Jue), and 3. Hand Gestures (Jie He Tong). They believe that the recipient has obtained the Tao and that his name has been reserved in the heaven and erased from the lists in hell. Upon death, the recipient will ascend straight to heaven without having to endure the cycles of rebirth.
The followers of this organization must be a strict vegetarian. It is said that they will not teach and liberate three groups of people: they are butchers, fishermen and prostitutes.
Usually, their temples are painted in pure white. And they have large followers in Asia. Their selection for potential followers are very strict. Non-members of this organization are not allowed to step into their temple compound. They can only enter the temple compound through the invitation from the senior members. On the day itself, the new recruit will make to vow to keep secrets on what he/she has learnt from the temple. Why? Without asking of consert, he/she is sent to receive the "secret" formula, so-called "Triple Gem". If he/she has failed to keep the secrets, and leaked out these secrets to non-members, he/she will be killed by the 5 heavenly thunders (Wu Lei Hong Ding).
There are many works written by this cult group. There are few popular ones. For example:
1. "Maitreya Sutra" (Chinese: Mi Le Zhen Jing) is their own version of Maitreyavyakarana Sutra. It is said that this scripture was spoken by the Buddha. It talks about the benefit on having faith on Maitreya Buddha. The retinue of protectors are non-Buddhist ones, most of them are from the Chinese folk religions and not to mention the main character, Lao Mu who is Wu Sheng Lao Mu in short.
2. "The Travelogue for the Hell" (Chinese: Ti Yu You Ji) revealed by Ji Gong, a Chinese folk religion deity whose origin is unknown. This work explains about hell.
These books can be found in the free book distribution corners in the Chinese folk religion temples.
"The group is known as Ee Kwang Tao. I was invited to attend the opening of one of their 'Holy Houses'. It was one of the strangest rituals that i have ever witnessed. Following the ritual we were invited to go before the 'Master' to receive initiation. I declined on the grounds that I had been invited to attend the opening but not to join anything. After a while they approached me again and they said that the 'Master' was waiting for me and I MUST go before the 'Master'. I replied that I must not do anything of the sort as I am a traditional Buddhist and had no wish to join their organisation. I thanked them for their hospitality and said that I was leaving. As each person arrived they took their name. As I left they asked me for my name as they said that the names were being sent to heaven and, as I refused initiation, my name would have to be struck off the list. I consulted a Chinese friend about my experience and he immediately identified it as the Ee Kwang Tao cult which, as was said, is proliferating in Australia. The initiates are sworn to secrecy with the threat of harm to themselves and their family if the secrets are revealed. This dangerous cult bears no relation to Buddhism so beware of them."
Graeme Lyall (Australia), 1999.
At times, their activities are not restricted in the temple compounds. In Singapore, the very senior members who hold the posts of "Tang Zhu", can convert the new comers in their own houses. The main Singapore centre is located at Bukit Merah Central, and it is known as "Chong Hua Tong Tou Teck Hwee Building". You can see the name of the building at the main gate. It is also stated that it is "strictly for members". Their first centre was located at Upper Serangoon Road, and was demolished recently. And there are many smaller temples or community welfare centres scattered around Singapore. They are registered with Registry of Society as "Xin Jia Bo Zhong Hua Tang Dao De Hui" (Sing Gah Ball Chong Hua Tong Tou Teck Hwee) and they also work hand-in-hand with "De Jiao" founded by Thye Hua Kwan Moral Society and also with Chee Hoon Kog Moral Promotion Society for those community welfare services.
The other schools which are evolved from Xian Tian Tao, are Tung Shan She, Tien De Sheng Jiao, Tao Yuan and Tzu Hui Tang. They are independent groups and do not share the same leadership. -
It's from a friend from the Sakya school, called Henry Chia. He is a 'global moderator' in the E-Sangha forum.Originally posted by _wanderer_:Interesting. Where did you get this info from? Thks.
He used to run this A-Z Controversial School webpage which is very informative and contains a list of controversial schools/cults much more comprehensive and informative than the one provided by the Buddhist Council website. Unfortunately it was taken down about a year ago, because one of the inauthentic lama's lawyer emailed Yahoo and the webpages were taken down without backup.
Here is an archieve: http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/4886/cults.htm, some articles are still there, some are not.
Yi Guan Dao's article: http://web.archive.org/web/20041107104038/www.geocities.com/Athens/Ithaca/4886/with001.htm -
To AEN and bodhiruici,Originally posted by An Eternal Now:Exactly My taiwanese teacher say... where got religion say take oath thunder strike you one In Buddhism, we say we take Bodhisattva vows and liberate and save all sentient beings and attain Buddhahood
So there are some esoteric practice in the Tibetan tradition that requires one to take oath and kept secret. Which some led to tantric sex practice that hurts many women psychologically and suffering in silence. There are some reports that I think you can try to find it out yourself.
To say that it's unorthodox simple because it makes one to swear upon secrecy, then you should include esoteric practice like the Tibetan tradition which is supposedly to be secret as well and not just aiming at Yi Kuan Dao.
AEN's previous entry in regards to Matrieya is sufficient to prove that Yi Kuan Dao's doctrine is not in line with Buddhism.
The Buddha said that there are 3 kind of things that are open to all and not in secret, first is the orb of the Sun, second is the orb of the Moon, third is the Dhamma open and no secret teachings.
Peace out -
Dunnoe as I said, believed to be technically an incarnation.Originally posted by An Eternal Now:According to the article, its the 'taming dragon arhat'. That is not mahakasyapa. Whether it could be a bodhisattva in disguise, we dont know. But arhats have strict observance of the precepts and furthermore have escaped the 6 realms of rebirth. -
Originally posted by yamizi:
To AEN and bodhiruici,
So there are some esoteric practice in the Tibetan tradition that requires one to take oath and kept secret. Which some led to tantric sex practice that hurts many women psychologically and suffering in silence. There are some reports that I think you can try to find it out yourself.
To say that it's unorthodox simple because it makes one to swear upon secrecy, then you should include esoteric practice like the Tibetan tradition which is supposedly to be secret as well and not just aiming at Yi Kuan Dao.
AEN's previous entry in regards to Matrieya is sufficient to prove that Yi Kuan Dao's doctrine is not in line with Buddhism.
The Buddha said that there are 3 kind of things that are open to all and not in secret, first is the orb of the Sun, second is the orb of the Moon, third is the Dhamma open and [b]no secret teachings.
Dear Yamizi,
before you comment on Tibetan Buddhism ,please think carefully
tibetan Buddhism Rinpoche and Lama NEVER told u to make death vows for revealing the teachings .
You should STOP your idea that tantric Buddhism EQUAL to tantric Sex
thank you
Your message will be broadcast to the tibetan Buddhist community of singapore
You await their valuable reply
thanks
Peace out[/b] -
i think both of u shall cool down.The purpose of this thread is to provide info for pples to beware and keep away from such unorthodox religions.We r all the students of BuddhaOriginally posted by bohiruci:
Peace