Venture Era - a defending point of view.
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So, one day i was called down for interview at some v.e group, the guy refused to give the full name of the company, only going with "v.e group" i decided to go since i had nothing on hand.
It was rubbish, car winners, top sellers, and people posing in suits, i left early after a crap presentation on why the de-oxygenised water will help preserve your organs due to prevention of oxidation of organs
.And the guy who brought me in finally let slip and told me in the meeting the "managers will teach you how to make money from our products."Also, the "state of the art test equipment" looked nothing more than first generation desktops from the nineties, those with the 13 inch crt monitors resting on top of the beige boxes.
All in all it was bullshit, stupid of me to not search the forums first.
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Yeah... I also have many badminton students doing all kinds of mlm stuffs. No offence, some products are good but some just oversell. Remember, people die anyway. But they respect people lah. I decided to get the amega bracelet from one of them. Cheap and good. Simple. So, I decided to recommend them to my students. Cheap cheap.
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Originally posted by Lummies:
Eagle Bro , i suggest you should watch the Movie : The Secret : Law of Attraction . Seriously in the society of Singapore , if you want to be successful. You really have to think out of the box . Be the minority than the majority , you must always be in front of the trend in Singapore. Now MLM ,NM is legal in Singapore , is just that there are some MLM company are those "Black " but there are some who are operating legally.Now for what i know Venture Era is a Company who obtain ISO9001:2001 which means in product and COMPANY . Now in Singapore , to obtain ISO for Company ( not product ) is actually very hard. They have to gone through alot of processes.
Now Venture Era is a company who have reputation , name , good customer service. Thats the point you all cannot deny . You can say that MLM and NM is not good.But the product is innocent right?
Think of this again , NTU already have Network Marketing as an optional course. If you think that network marketing is a scam . This indirectly saying that MOE is teaching you how to scam? Isnt It?
Next point , "Brainwash" i give u an example , in olympic . Every athletes are train in their best of the best condition and it reach the limit. But why there is people win and lose . Its not about their physical , but is because of their desire towards gold medal and bring the glory to the country. Their desire towards Victory is always very strong . You compared someone who have no desire and have poor mentality thinking with a person who have strong believe and strong desire .You would find alot of difference .
If what i said is not true , well take it i am talking to the wall.If its true , then think about what is the most practical thing on the earth =) ( the answer is obvious )
People would saying ( Wow recruit 2 person and you can earn money and get 5 figure income ) Now what is Network Marketing .... its through network . Come on use your brain and think. Not all people you recruit will fight with you and they find recruit will stay with you.
You just need 2 of the person in all Recruited who willing to fight for you is enough. Thats what they mean.They doesnt mean where you just need to find any 2 of them.This is common sense i am sure you would understand.
Well i guess i end here if not when i login to see again i would have flooded by people =x
What can i said? LOL
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
What can i said? LOL
What can I say as well?
He tells me this:
If you think that network marketing is a scam . This indirectly saying that MOE is teaching you how to scam? Isnt It?
I have not even gone into saying anything about MLM and network marketing yet...
Don't know why the unprovoked reaction and post for me Maybe it's guilt conscience and self-pacification at work
MLMers may succeed, but this poster definitely won't. Went totally off-tangent. Or is that the style he used to sell things?
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The diff between all the MLM companies is the marketing plan.. So dun tell mi that all MLM company is legal cos MoE said so.
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wadever it is, everyone is diff and have diff view of reality..
no point flaming anyone here..
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Originally posted by dreamsterjay:
wadever it is, everyone is diff and have diff view of reality..
no point flaming anyone here..
Hmm .. U may or may not have a point there
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to seow:
by looking at forums, u meet 3 kind of ppl.
one who take part in mlm for at 6 mths
one who take part in mlm for less den 6 mths
last, one tat nvr done mlm b4
mlm is a simply fantastic concept, where leverage comes very much into play.
however, ppl often use it to exploit other ppl, hence giving it a bad name.
in looking for mlm company, look out for one with a good and affordable product which u are confident to distribute... try it for 6 mths
at least if u fail, u get experience. contact base etc..
from there, if u wanna do other biz in future, it will be easier..
:)
jay
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Originally posted by dreamsterjay:
to seow:
by looking at forums, u meet 3 kind of ppl.
one who take part in mlm for at 6 mths
one who take part in mlm for less den 6 mths
last, one tat nvr done mlm b4
mlm is a simply fantastic concept, where leverage comes very much into play.
however, ppl often use it to exploit other ppl, hence giving it a bad name.
in looking for mlm company, look out for one with a good and affordable product which u are confident to distribute... try it for 6 mths
at least if u fail, u get experience. contact base etc..
from there, if u wanna do other biz in future, it will be easier..
:)
jay
Why assume?
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at least if u fail, u get experience. contact base etc..
from there, if u wanna do other biz in future, it will be easier..
And if you hailed from companies like Sunshine Empire, I would think it is harder to do other biz in the future instead. -.-" Your contact base wouldn't even trust you.
You are already sticking to one and only one viewpoint. Where did this viewpoint come from? From MLM companies? Do take alternative viewpoints together.
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Originally posted by eagle:
And if you hailed from companies like Sunshine Empire, I would think it is harder to do other biz in the future instead. -.-" Your contact base wouldn't even trust you.
You are already sticking to one and only one viewpoint. Where did this viewpoint come from? From MLM companies? Do take alternative viewpoints together.
ya, tat would be great!share with us ur point of view.
in mlm, u meet lots of ppl ma, of course, u must first be in a good company la. sunshine emp is bullshit. cos even warren buffet cant turn out such good investment rates...
i didnt assume anyway.
either u been to mlm company and at least try out for 6 mths, or else, no point going all the woo haa abt mlm is bad etc...
no personal exp from mlm ma, onli hear other ppl say.
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ya, tat would be great!
share with us ur point of view.
in mlm, u meet lots of ppl ma, of course, u must first be in a good company la. sunshine emp is bullshit. cos even warren buffet cant turn out such good investment rates...
Already shared.... -.-"
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Originally posted by dreamsterjay:
ya, tat would be great!share with us ur point of view.
in mlm, u meet lots of ppl ma, of course, u must first be in a good company la. sunshine emp is bullshit. cos even warren buffet cant turn out such good investment rates...
i didnt assume anyway.
either u been to mlm company and at least try out for 6 mths, or else, no point going all the woo haa abt mlm is bad etc...
no personal exp from mlm ma, onli hear other ppl say.
Personally i have been in VE for 6 months ya .. Bel'air for 2 yrs .. I won't said that MLM-ers won't succeed but hey look at SG market how big is it? U wanna strike big .. Go oversea but how many are able to extend their network oversea and maintain it?
I can tell u MLM is very sucessful in other countries like the States .. Alot of housewives there are actually MLM-ers. U wanna see what is the problem with your company? U can only see it when u are out of it, so dun go defending how good your company is when sometimes the facts are out there looking right at your face.
So tell us how long have u been in MLM? Dun tell mi about facts or video about this and that .. U are u and they are they .. Pretty obvious.
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Pacer, why no reply? Nothing else to say?
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go find a decent job, take decent pay, lead decent lives. dun scam students or prc. i belive in karma.
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Originally posted by mlmersrlosers:
go find a decent job, take decent pay, lead decent lives.
dun scam students or prc. i belive in karma.the comment is so zzz, obviously you don't read self-improvement books.
well i have this aim in life, that is to earn a substantial amount and with passive income coming and then i would have a lot of time to help out charity with volunteer work.
but you may have a point as pyramid can be disguised as mlms but mlms can never be disguised as a pyramid as the pyramid as no product going through the organisation in the first place,in mlm the products go through the organisation and that is how money is made,so in short the pyramid is a money game,just look properly at a deal first then decide,don't you agree that it is childish and unknowledgable to not look at something properly and just say it is a scam.
mlmers that have to hard sell their opportunity do not really get anywhere but only grinding their way through.its just how people do their business,whether they show professionalism,all in all you have to understand the whole mlm concept then will you at least have a fair view of it.
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Originally posted by Ageleon:
the comment is so zzz, obviously you don't read self-improvement books.
well i have this aim in life, that is to earn a substantial amount and with passive income coming and then i would have a lot of time to help out charity with volunteer work.
but you may have a point as pyramid can be disguised as mlms but mlms can never be disguised as a pyramid as the pyramid as no product going through the organisation in the first place,in mlm the products go through the organisation and that is how money is made,so in short the pyramid is a money game,just look properly at a deal first then decide,don't you agree that it is childish and unknowledgable to not look at something properly and just say it is a scam.
mlmers that have to hard sell their opportunity do not really get anywhere but only grinding their way through.its just how people do their business,whether they show professionalism,all in all you have to understand the whole mlm concept then will you at least have a fair view of it.
i have read countless of self-improvement books and yet you are here saying that if I do not believe in the mlm system therefore I do not read self-improvement books. Mind you that self-improvement books does not mean money only, but also in other factors. By what you are saying, without mlm, I cannot earn a substantial amount.
Time for charity? Oh pls, most of the YOUR time would be spend trying to sell your products and recruit people. What can I say, another brainwashed kid.
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Originally posted by mlmersrlosers:
go find a decent job, take decent pay, lead decent lives.
dun scam students or prc. i belive in karma.
I believe in doing the traditional decent ethical non scamming business. Not mlm lol. I am not the paycheck to paycheck type of person. -
Originally posted by huzane89:
Time for charity? Oh pls, most of the YOUR time would be spend trying to sell your products and recruit people. What can I say, another brainwashed kid.
oh pls,you don't understand what the end result is when you are successful in mlm.oh pls,find more news about people's successes in mlm then you will understand.OH PLS WAKE UP
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Originally posted by Ageleon:
the comment is so zzz, obviously you don't read self-improvement books.
well i have this aim in life, that is to earn a substantial amount and with passive income coming and then i would have a lot of time to help out charity with volunteer work.
but you may have a point as pyramid can be disguised as mlms but mlms can never be disguised as a pyramid as the pyramid as no product going through the organisation in the first place,in mlm the products go through the organisation and that is how money is made,so in short the pyramid is a money game,just look properly at a deal first then decide,don't you agree that it is childish and unknowledgable to not look at something properly and just say it is a scam.
mlmers that have to hard sell their opportunity do not really get anywhere but only grinding their way through.its just how people do their business,whether they show professionalism,all in all you have to understand the whole mlm concept then will you at least have a fair view of it.
so??? lol wats the use of reading all those self improvement book when u all dun even have basic business ethics??? u r right i dun read all those self improvement books becos I dun need them. so what if u read them all? They are just 纸上谈兵 anyway MLM makes my blood boil and I sibei buay song is that they spun a web of lies using cars as baitand they always use tactics like peer pressure from ur so called "friends" in mlm. Also they normally gave empty promises and unrealistic promotion opportunities (Career path? LOL) and they mainly target naive people like students and make them scapegoats. I can use my head n guarantee that mlm is a failure and no need to waste ur time in this line. I would rather go sell insurance then dwell with this unorthodox time wasting thing. Btw im a business student and I studied proper business skills and strategies. mlmers are just a bunch of unrealistic losers, wanting to learn how to fly b4 learning how to walk. Then when they join the cult, they are stuck with the goods health products like useless mattress, useless bracelets selling at overpriced price. I think rather than join mlm, go rob a bank is faster and can guarantee u see money. investing in mlm is like throwing ur money down the drain. Only PHD people believe that mlm could work. continue to dream big angeleon, wif mlm in ur dreams. passive income? charity work? how about be more realistic a bit? mlm doesnt take u anywhere. U sure u make SUBSTANTIAL INCOME OR LOSSES? why not reveal ur true income amount to us? lol professionalism? does mlm require that? continue to dream on as u are nothing more than just a salesman who struggles to climb up the social ladder. -
i got a fren his mum is a living example. She been selling pots and pans thru mlm over 12 yrs and u know wat? she make only about 1K plus. LOL 12 yrs and still earning peanuts u dare to call this success? wake up ur idea ur brain need to be diagnosed.
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Originally posted by Midlusionz:
Personally i have been in VE for 6 months ya .. Bel'air for 2 yrs .. I won't said that MLM-ers won't succeed but hey look at SG market how big is it? U wanna strike big .. Go oversea but how many are able to extend their network oversea and maintain it?
I can tell u MLM is very sucessful in other countries like the States .. Alot of housewives there are actually MLM-ers. U wanna see what is the problem with your company? U can only see it when u are out of it, so dun go defending how good your company is when sometimes the facts are out there looking right at your face.
So tell us how long have u been in MLM? Dun tell mi about facts or video about this and that .. U are u and they are they .. Pretty obvious.
i am in there from dec 2006 till now...
i nvr did defend my company nor did i say it was very good.
pls read properly b4 u comment.in addition, mlmersrlosers's fren's mum just found a sucks company.
pans and pots?
how much can u earn thru commision?
the price is low alr to start in the first place.
passive income means income tat u need not work much for it.
if ur frenz mom is doing tat pan and pot for part time onli, den ur frenz 's mom should be having 2 streams of income. an addition 1k plus aint tat bad!!
if mlmersrlosers is a biz student, tell me if donald trump comment abt mlm is wrong.
tell us how Robert kiyosaki is wrong.
tell us how amway got so big??
tell us how if VE is scam can keep grow in size for 8 yrs and still expanding?
and pls don come telling us it is becos they scam losers like us, students.
do u mlmersrlosers have a better explanation?
do u mlmersrlosers able to explain to us nicely how mlm system can potentially fail, maybe in ur biz terms?
and u learn biz from which sch?
show us some creditiblity b4 barking all u can.
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Originally posted by mlmersrlosers:
so??? lol wats the use of reading all those self improvement book when u all dun even have basic business ethics??? u r right i dun read all those self improvement books becos I dun need them. so what if u read them all? They are just 纸上谈兵 anyway MLM makes my blood boil and I sibei buay song is that they spun a web of lies using cars as baitand they always use tactics like peer pressure from ur so called "friends" in mlm. Also they normally gave empty promises and unrealistic promotion opportunities (Career path? LOL) and they mainly target naive people like students and make them scapegoats. I can use my head n guarantee that mlm is a failure and no need to waste ur time in this line. I would rather go sell insurance then dwell with this unorthodox time wasting thing. Btw im a business student and I studied proper business skills and strategies. mlmers are just a bunch of unrealistic losers, wanting to learn how to fly b4 learning how to walk. Then when they join the cult, they are stuck with the goods health products like useless mattress, useless bracelets selling at overpriced price. I think rather than join mlm, go rob a bank is faster and can guarantee u see money. investing in mlm is like throwing ur money down the drain. Only PHD people believe that mlm could work. continue to dream big angeleon, wif mlm in ur dreams. passive income? charity work? how about be more realistic a bit? mlm doesnt take u anywhere. U sure u make SUBSTANTIAL INCOME OR LOSSES? why not reveal ur true income amount to us? lol professionalism? does mlm require that? continue to dream on as u are nothing more than just a salesman who struggles to climb up the social ladder.mlmersrlosers, u studied biz, u maybe having more content den ppl who don study biz.
but do u have the context?
if today i show u my cheque of 4/5 k per month, will ya believe it in the first place?
will ya continue and say tat tat paycheck aint mine?
u are just a low in confident and waiting-for-things-to-happen kinda kids..
we are salesman, but we also do more den tat. we are able to motivate ppl, keep them going until they see income like us.
we build organisation, we build contacts and network. but mlmersrlosers, wad have u build?
u build onli wad u see in ur frenz mom as ur reality!
get it?
adam khoo is a primary 3 dropout, does it means all dropouts are failure and losers?
in fact. adam khoo became one of the youngest self made millionaires.
it is not wad u study tat makes u successful, is the action.
u are in this forum wad i truely call 纸上谈兵 .
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Originally posted by dreamsterjay:
mlmersrlosers, u studied biz, u maybe having more content den ppl who don study biz.
but do u have the context?
if today i show u my cheque of 4/5 k per month, will ya believe it in the first place?
will ya continue and say tat tat paycheck aint mine?
u are just a low in confident and waiting-for-things-to-happen kinda kids..
we are salesman, but we also do more den tat. we are able to motivate ppl, keep them going until they see income like us.
we build organisation, we build contacts and network. but mlmersrlosers, wad have u build?
u build onli wad u see in ur frenz mom as ur reality!
get it?
adam khoo is a primary 3 dropout, does it means all dropouts are failure and losers?
in fact. adam khoo became one of the youngest self made millionaires.
it is not wad u study tat makes u successful, is the action.
u are in this forum wad i truely call 纸上谈兵 .
if today i show u my cheque of 4/5 k per month, will ya believe it in the first place?
Huh? So little?
adam khoo is a primary 3 dropout, does it means all dropouts are failure and losers?
Rubbish. He graduated with a first class honours degree in business from NUS.
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Originally posted by dreamsterjay:
i am in there from dec 2006 till now...
i nvr did defend my company nor did i say it was very good.
pls read properly b4 u comment.in addition, mlmersrlosers's fren's mum just found a sucks company.
pans and pots?
how much can u earn thru commision?
the price is low alr to start in the first place.
passive income means income tat u need not work much for it.
if ur frenz mom is doing tat pan and pot for part time onli, den ur frenz 's mom should be having 2 streams of income. an addition 1k plus aint tat bad!!
if mlmersrlosers is a biz student, tell me if donald trump comment abt mlm is wrong.
tell us how Robert kiyosaki is wrong.
tell us how amway got so big??
tell us how if VE is scam can keep grow in size for 8 yrs and still expanding?
and pls don come telling us it is becos they scam losers like us, students.
do u mlmersrlosers have a better explanation?
do u mlmersrlosers able to explain to us nicely how mlm system can potentially fail, maybe in ur biz terms?
and u learn biz from which sch?
show us some creditiblity b4 barking all u can.
DId i hit some soft spot? =O