Thank you Spore Spy
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You have to be fair to your agents and take care of them and their families if they are caught.Otherwise,your agency 's reputation will suffer and you will find that nobody will want risk his life working for you gain
From :35 years of public service:From espionage to babies
Original appeared in
ETHOS -- a quarterly publication of the Institute of Policy Development, Civil Service College.--issue unknown.
Straits Times 06 Feb 2006.p 17,second column, by EDDIE TEO, Permanent Secretary at the Prime MinisterÂ’s Office.24 years in intelligence service,
4 of them concurrently as Director of ISD---Internal Security Department
Posted to Security and Intelligence Divisionof MINDEF 35 years ago after approached by SID and advaced himself to then PSC right after completed govt scholarship study.
No money to have a better logo----make an open competition lah.
2.We have peace because our Singapore agents---SPY---have risked their life
and suffered if they are caught,so do their families.
Dunt tell me no country who are interested in Spore have not sent
their spy here.
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Lets us salute to Spore spy and their families.Without them,
do u think we have peace??
4.Mr Eddie Teo--- Mr Teo was a President's Scholar. He graduated with a Bachelor of Arts Honours degree in Philosophy, Politics and Economics in 1970 from Oxford University. He obtained a Master of Science in International Relations in 1974 from the London School of Economics and Political Science, University of London. -
Spies are part of an overall security arrangement. Everybody play their part properly for the common objective whether defensive or offensive. Even army drivers play a part in the peace enjoyed by Singaporeans. Let us salute army drivers instead.
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Wah. Like Infernal Affairs like that... -
TO hell with him lar. Knn, think he big shot, just paw his bosses by giving political correct answers to JC students? U think JC students 7 yrs old or 17 yrs old? But in some cases, there are JC students who behave like 7 yrs old.
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I'm more interested in the storming of a plane in Bangkok by Singaporean authorities after they found out Kasturi was planning to hijack it.
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alot of things cannot be said...cos if u say, not only u 'die', the one in the limelight also ganna one
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My uncle was an ex spy for ISD (they were and independent unit linked to ISD). He joined CID (He joined at the wrong time where people hated police as most of them were corrupted) and then later the "special department" till today he still refuses to disclose its name. But in his ID it stated MFA. Till today, the government has not officially acknowledge their existance.
That was in the 1950s-1970s, when their main job was to round up political dissidents, esp communist and indonesians during the confrontation. They were so secretive that even the police commisioner didn't know of their existance. Only the prime minister and several other key government officials e.g defence ministers.. knew of their existance. And yes, that includes LKY.
Trust me, theres nothing cool about it. Some of them couldn't take the stress and were transfered out. While others like my uncle had a broken family as no one knew what he was doing and he was seldom home. If he was outside, even if you recognised him, you couldn't call or talk to him. Everywhere he went, he planned his route properly and will not use the route twice.
They are highly trained in hand to hand combat and have certain knowledge of small arms (but they do not carry them). On the front they were given identities as civil servants (Ministry of foreign affairs for my uncle case) but their actual jobs were kept under wraps, and orders and assignments came directly from the top.
Till today, there is no evidence that he was once a spy. No medals, no ribbons, no special awards or commendations. Only his MFA pass and several official documents (the rest were destroyed once he retired at 45). Records only stated that he was a civil servent working at MFA from 19xx to 19xx.
He is living off the government since his retirement at 45. At first he was paid $4000 (todays money) a month for a few years. Then $2000 for 10 years, finally today only $200 a month.
His hospital bills and every single visit to the doctor is fully paid for by the government, basically a full medical cover for anything and everything. Heavy subsidy for his HDB flat and several other benefits under the govt plan to recognise contributions to the nation by ex civil servants. (they did not state the contribution).
But his wife and children left him and today he has a very slight mental disorder and tends to be extremly violent and responsive to small noises. But other than that he is perfectly normal as i've visited him this CNY. Somehow i feel that there are things that he have seen or done that led to his wierd behaviour. Whatever that is, he'll probably take it with him when he pass on. He still lives today and is 74 years of age. -
OpSec.Originally posted by LazerLordz:I'm more interested in the storming of a plane in Bangkok by Singaporean authorities after they found out Kasturi was planning to hijack it.
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I think we need to give due respect and tribue to these people, who have sacrificed much to keep our country stable lar. As what the prev forum user said, they really have given up a lot to do their job.
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if spies are caught then how? they kill themselves before the identity of their employer country is revealed?
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Why couldn't call or talk to him?Originally posted by donchoo:If he was outside, even if you recognised him, you couldn't call or talk to him. Everywhere he went, he planned his route properly and will not use the route twice.
If he is so secretive even with small actions then people know he is spy liao. I thought the best spy should be the guy who can blend perfectly into his surrounding. -
Originally posted by Icemoon
Most probably he will be on an assignment then. Calling or talking to him will compromise his cover.
Why couldn't call or talk to him?
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ah! If u knew that u couldn't talk or call him outside, it means the family knows to some extent the nature of his job.
I think the CIA got things worked out better. The officers were allowed to tell their spouse who they worked for, that is the CIA. Hence their spouse were often in together with them when they are under non-official cover. -
Why we have to spy on others?They spy on us!!
22/01/1999 Straits Times Page: 53
FULL REPORT:
Headline: 6 held for espionage
By: Ahmad Osman, Leslie Koh and Jason Leow
Subject: Parliament
Related Stories:
Pages 52 and 53
ISA ARRESTS OVER PAST 2 YEARS
SIX people were arrested and detained without trial for
espionage activities in the last two years.
Four have been released, and investigations against the other two are
continuing, Home Affairs Minister Wong Kan Seng disclosed on Wednesday in a
written response to a question from Nominated MP Simon Tay.
Under the Internal Security Act, those suspected of being involved in
activities that might threaten national security can be arrested without trial
and detained under an Order of Detention by the Government.
Details on the identities of those arrested were not released. Two were
arrested in 1997, and have since been released. One of them, a male Singapore
Permanent Resident, was a deep-cover operative of a foreign intelligence
service, and had used the other, a female Singaporean, as a collaborator.
Of the other four male Singapore citizens detained last year, three were
agents in another intelligence service. One had recruited the fourth to
collect intelligence on and to subvert an unidentified local community
organisation, according to the minister. Two of them have been released.
Said Mr Wong: "This followed Internal Security Department's
recommendations that their preventive detentions were no
longer necessary for reasons of
continuing investigation, or of their posing an active
threat to national security."
The four who were released from custody had been
detained for between four and 11 months.
Since 1965, 591 people have been detained under the Internal Security Act.
Most were arrested in the 1960s and 1970s in the struggle against communist
groups. The number fell to 39 in the 1980s. The six detained in the last two
years were the only ones in the 1990s. -
Spys caught in Spore--no joke
Spore is never short of spying activity.
Minister for Home Affairs (Mr Wong Kan Seng )said in a written reply released in Parliament on 20.01.1999 and reported in Zaobao on 22.01.1999:
extract:6 persons were detained in 1997 and 1998 under Order of Detention for
espionage.4 of them had been released under Suspension Order.
1.In 1997,one female Sg citizen and a male SPR were arrested.The man worked for a foreign spy agency and he recruited the female to assist him.
2.In 1998,4 sg male citizens were arrested. 3 worked for foreign spy agency. One of them recruited the 4 th.They were spying to collect info in local community organisations and espionage.
3.The two caught in 1997 and two in 1998 had been released after detained for
4 to 11 months.
End of extract
4.The two remaining were still detained in June 2000,as told by Mr Wong
in a interview by ZB on 26.06.2000.
5. One was still on Restriction Order
Parliment 2003-03-14 --report colum 789
Minister for Home Affairs (Mr Wong Kan Seng) answered to a question:
How many people are now detained for espionage cases? As of today, actually nobody has been detained. All have been released, and one is on a restriction order.As the Minister in charge, I believe that the ISD has acquitted itself very well.
fr
Parliment records
6.One or two cases have been reported.I will tell u if I got the info.
Want to know more about espionage?Read fr pg 25
''2. The operations of foreign intelligence services''
by EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT.REport on the existence of a global system for the interception of private and commercial communications (ECHELON interception system) (2001/2098(INI))dated 11 July 2001. -
I am the target of spy?
Even you have no access to calssified info,you may still a target of espionage.
Suppose your dad have access to classified info.There is no weakness in your dad.
So you poor little guy would be a soft target.You think yourself is the smartest in the world!!Spy ,whether Singaporeans or not,will make you fall into the trap and blackmail your dad.So,simple?YES!!So be careful.Dunt sleep with under aged girl,for example, easily.The revealing clip may be sent to your dad's hand one day and put him in a very difficult position.
MICE--Money, Ideology, Coercion, or Excitement
quote:The concept is simple: it is either Money, Ideology, Coercion, or Excitement, that causes a person to be willing to betray their friends and neighbours, or their whole country, and go into the service of a foreign espionage organization. Sometimes "intrigue" is substituted for ideology, or "ego" for excitment, but the end result is the same. It is claimed that no one has produced a better summary of traitors' motivations.
fr SOURCES
Dunt be a messenger for spy
Spy sometimes need innoncent people to pass or receive message for them for various reasons.Be it a hard copy exchanged hand in a quite stair case or send/receive a message in net.Of course,you wont know the message in fact part of spying game.
I think I may be targeted! I need help...
Sorry,I dunt know the answer.May be ISD,or MI in SAF..Any one can advice.Any hotline can call?My advice is come out and seek help asap.
Penalty for trason in Sg
I cant found in http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/.Who can tell me?
A little help will lead u to hell
In the first time,spy will not ask you to steal the highly calssified info for you will resisit it strongly.They will ask you to get small info but classified one.If u do so and found out by your boss,u will also be in trobule.Ok,you got the bait and that is.
Dunt do any small help.
Cold War experience on espionage by CNN -
the refusal to take calls and say hi has already blown his cover.Originally posted by tankee1981:Most probably he will be on an assignment then. Calling or talking to him will compromise his cover. 
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You mean like Ed and Pat Foley in Tom Clancey novels?Originally posted by Shotgun:ah! If u knew that u couldn't talk or call him outside, it means the family knows to some extent the nature of his job.
I think the CIA got things worked out better. The officers were allowed to tell their spouse who they worked for, that is the CIA. Hence their spouse were often in together with them when they are under non-official cover. -
I wonder what're the repercussions if country X is known to spy on us?
Singapore: CB you X .. how dare you spy on us!
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"Treason" is defined in the Constitution as an offence, under which the PM and at least 1/3 of parliment can charge and remove the elected president.Originally posted by lionnoisy:I am the target of spy?
I think I may be targeted! I need help...
Sorry,I dunt know the answer.May be ISD,or MI in SAF..Any one can advice.Any hotline can call?My advice is come out and seek help asap.
Penalty for trason in Sg
I cant found in http://statutes.agc.gov.sg/.Who can tell me?
Other than which crimes of a treasonous nature are covered under the SAF Act, The Criminal Code and the Internal Security Act as well as various regulations and order under these acts. They are more indirect manner of holding in detention e.g. with an order by the Home Affairs Minister.
If you suspect someone of neferous activities, you may wish to call the police, mindef (responsible department is "M##"), the switchboard can redirect your call. -
Why do you think that u are targetted? Must have some reason rite?
Were you approached by anyone, offering you money to acquire information for them? Or have they coerced you in anyway?
Ed and Pat Foley... they were both spies rite?
Actually I read another book... written by a former CIA officer, one who was once briefly stationed here, I think. His wife is often part of his cover. lol! Its good for a spy to have that level of support from his spouse. -
In Tom Clancey novels, the CIA and KGB spies are often employees of the embassy in the respective cities. That is, they have a certain level of diplomatic protection/cover.Originally posted by Shotgun:Why do you think that u are targetted? Must have some reason rite?
Were you approached by anyone, offering you money to acquire information for them? Or have they coerced you in anyway?
Ed and Pat Foley... they were both spies rite?
Actually I read another book... written by a former CIA officer, one who was once briefly stationed here, I think. His wife is often part of his cover. lol! Its good for a spy to have that level of support from his spouse.
I wonder when we catch a spy from country X, will the embassy of country X tiok dai ji? Maybe cut off one finger and send it to the embassy, courtesy of ISD.
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I wanna be a spy for SG... But I dunno how to apply leh...
US got CIA where you can apply directly...
Here in SG, I dun even know the contacts of ISD, how to be a spy? -
Don't Find Them, They Will Find YouOriginally posted by Arena:I wanna be a spy for SG... But I dunno how to apply leh...
US got CIA where you can apply directly...
Here in SG, I dun even know the contacts of ISD, how to be a spy? -
I just watch this show on Channel 5 last night,The Recruit. Its about a story of a newbie in CIA and the training he went through and eventually the troubles he got himself into. The CIA training facility is called the Farm.