http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 zh-CN 60 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by purpledragon84:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>smu got alot of FT one meh? i thot all in ntu.. sadly.. seldom go smu walk walk.. but the few times i go, see all locals leh..</p> <p>smu always dua pao xian one la... say their grads earn gan high gan high.. but many companies my friends and i do part time for, the HR all say dun really want hire smu grads.. coz all promises and cannot deliver..</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>bian-kong, NUS #1!</p> Thu, 15 May 2008 22:50:38 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8089508 redDUST http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <p>smu got alot of FT one meh? i thot all in ntu.. sadly.. seldom go smu walk walk.. but the few times i go, see all locals leh..</p> <p>smu always dua pao xian one la... say their grads earn gan high gan high.. but many companies my friends and i do part time for, the HR all say dun really want hire smu grads.. coz all promises and cannot deliver..</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Thu, 15 May 2008 21:58:52 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8089357 purpledragon84 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <p>I&nbsp;read&nbsp; the news today, using public copy of news to&nbsp;save money,&nbsp;there is</p> <p>NO&nbsp; &nbsp;QUOTA to the&nbsp; issuing of Employment PASS&nbsp; (EP) where a person is considered a professional earning S$2,500 a month.</p> <p>Thus, does this mean as long as MNCs can find cheaper workers regardless of job titles and skillsets, you can be replaced in the name of cost cutting which means more profit which means CEO more happy as personal happiness increase many many?</p> <p>correctione me if I the&nbsp;wrong.&nbsp;</p> Thu, 15 May 2008 21:48:03 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8089337 balance_else_complacent http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <p>How come only banks hire SMU graduates? How many students graduate each year? How many can these financial institutions absorb?</p> <p>Oh yeah, how many Singaporean graduates had it so good?</p> Thu, 15 May 2008 00:52:35 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8087421 googoomuck http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <p>Looks more like SMU propaganda than PAP propaganda leh...&nbsp; gee.</p> Thu, 15 May 2008 00:15:05 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8087305 Shotgun http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by kramnave:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Even investment bankers oso need to work long long hours...people pay you good money because you bring them more money / work long long hours.</p> <p>Reason i do not want to go into ministerial pay is i dunno what they do and i cannot say its justified. You look at it at face value and one will tell you that the pay is obscene. They can say that its hard to find talent so need money to lure talent. That however is a problem they caused....anyway it's a long story and can be left to an existing thread.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>a fren of mine is an investment banker with a dutch bank here. clients are mainly filty rich europeans. he practically lives on their time zone looking after their investment interests in asia.</p> <p>the reward is mindboggling. he&nbsp;is at least 50x richer than me today. he was my senior with just a year head start in working life than me. once, his client paid fully for his london trip as a small reward for a good job done.</p> <p>when i think back&nbsp;that during&nbsp;my early post-nus job hunting years, i deliberately shun banking jobs despite having a economics&nbsp;degree with focus on&nbsp;financial econs and investments. i had thought that it was boring and&nbsp;sitting on a desk all day long didn't appeal to me.&nbsp;i realized today that i am the fool.&nbsp;<br /> for the pap, my belief is that they worked long hours too. however, most are not revenue generating, it is more administrative. my mp has a 3 meet-the-people nite sessions in a week. i personally&nbsp;do not have that kind of stamina. do they deserve the pay? i think not.&nbsp;</p> Wed, 14 May 2008 21:35:25 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8086684 redDUST http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by kramnave:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Even investment bankers oso need to work long long hours...people pay you good money because you bring them more money / work long long hours.</p> <p>Reason i do not want to go into ministerial pay is i dunno what they do and i cannot say its justified. You look at it at face value and one will tell you that the pay is obscene. They can say that its hard to find talent so need money to lure talent. That however is a problem they caused....anyway it's a long story and can be left to an existing thread.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> How do you know world record holders work long hours? You stay in their house?</p> <p>European leaders. Which one of them paid close to this amount? Europe solid enough for you or not? Been there before or not?&nbsp;</p> <p>&nbsp;</p> Wed, 14 May 2008 21:23:46 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8086662 balance_else_complacent http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by qlqq9:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> there are other jobs that pay people well but no need for them to stay over night for their jobs, but job as auditor really really allow them to work long long hours.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>strange leh, why u don't prefer people to refer to ministers' pay, so ministers are paid peanuts, ha ha ha.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the way you protect pap make ppl think you are running dogs of pap</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Even investment bankers oso need to work long long hours...people pay you good money because you bring them more money / work long long hours.</p> <p>Reason i do not want to go into ministerial pay is i dunno what they do and i cannot say its justified. You look at it at face value and one will tell you that the pay is obscene. They can say that its hard to find talent so need money to lure talent. That however is a problem they caused....anyway it's a long story and can be left to an existing thread.</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:56:03 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081699 kramnave http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by pigsticker:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>as i said i have peers who got that amount after they graduated.. and fyi they are locals... they don't make distinctions between local and non-locals... all it matters are your grades and most importantly, your abilities and knowledge...&nbsp;</p> <p>look at the big picture if you're an auditor... after 3 years, you get your CPA, then you jump to other companies... at the least you'll be a finance manager.. if your skills and knowledge is good enough, you can be a CFO... that's the value of suffering those hellish initial 3 -4 years...</p> <p>if you want to remain in the industry, it's not that bad once you're seasoned... plus when you're a team leader, then you won't be the one to suffer those hellish nights but those just starting off... it's more of a matter of where your goals lie...</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>agree</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:40:31 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081661 qlqq9 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by kramnave:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>Oh well..people pay you for a reason (lets not go into ministerial pay <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" />)</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> there are other jobs that pay people well but no need for them to stay over night for their jobs, but job as auditor really really allow them to work long long hours.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> <p>strange leh, why u don't prefer people to refer to ministers' pay, so ministers are paid peanuts, ha ha ha.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; the way you protect pap make ppl think you are running dogs of pap</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:39:47 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081657 qlqq9 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by qlqq9:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>how reliable is your info on investment banks paying 5k and above for fresh grads?</p> <p>they don't consider the starting pay of 2.5k for auditors attractive.&nbsp;&nbsp; If it really jumps to 3to 4k, it is good news for auditors for they really work like "shit".&nbsp;&nbsp; Poor thing.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>as i said i have peers who got that amount after they graduated.. and fyi they are locals... they don't make distinctions between local and non-locals... all it matters are your grades and most importantly, your abilities and knowledge...&nbsp;</p> <p>look at the big picture if you're an auditor... after 3 years, you get your CPA, then you jump to other companies... at the least you'll be a finance manager.. if your skills and knowledge is good enough, you can be a CFO... that's the value of suffering those hellish initial 3 -4 years...</p> <p>if you want to remain in the industry, it's not that bad once you're seasoned... plus when you're a team leader, then you won't be the one to suffer those hellish nights but those just starting off... it's more of a matter of where your goals lie...</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:39:33 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081656 pigsticker http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by qlqq9:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>how reliable is your info on investment banks paying 5k and above for fresh grads?</p> <p>they don't consider the starting pay of 2.5k for auditors attractive.&nbsp;&nbsp; If it really jumps to 3to 4k, it is good news for auditors for they really work like "shit".&nbsp;&nbsp; Poor thing.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>Oh well..people pay you for a reason (lets not go into ministerial pay <img src= "/images/emoticons/kde-3.5.8/redones/biggrin.png" alt= "biggrin.png" />)</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:35:58 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081650 kramnave http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by will4:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Auditor need to work until late into the night.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>not only late night, some work overnight till the next day.&nbsp; In my ex office the auditors work overnight and stay in hotel near the office and return to work the next day.</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:35:40 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081649 qlqq9 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by qlqq9:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>how reliable is your info on investment banks paying 5k and above for fresh grads?</p> <p>they don't consider the starting pay of 2.5k for auditors attractive.&nbsp;&nbsp; If it really jumps to 3to 4k, it is good news for auditors for they really work like "shit".&nbsp;&nbsp; Poor thing.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> Auditor need to work until late into the night.</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:33:35 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081643 will4 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by will4:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> U mean those graduates with diploma or degree in accounting?</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>degree... local or overseas makes no diff.... it's just a piece of paper...</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:31:52 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081639 pigsticker http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by pigsticker:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>most investment banks are willing to pay 5k and above for fresh grads with good results...</p> <p>investment analysts can earn up to 8k for a fresh grad...</p> <p>auditors starting pay is around 2.5 now but jumps to 3-4k in around 2 years...</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>how reliable is your info on investment banks paying 5k and above for fresh grads?</p> <p>they don't consider the starting pay of 2.5k for auditors attractive.&nbsp;&nbsp; If it really jumps to 3to 4k, it is good news for auditors for they really work like "shit".&nbsp;&nbsp; Poor thing.</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:31:05 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081637 qlqq9 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by pigsticker:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>most investment banks are willing to pay 5k and above for fresh grads with good results...</p> <p>investment analysts can earn up to 8k for a fresh grad...</p> <p>auditors starting pay is around 2.5 now but jumps to 3-4k in around 2 years...</p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> U mean those graduates with diploma or degree in accounting?</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:30:26 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081636 will4 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by qlqq9:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> agree.&nbsp;&nbsp; so far, not sure about other people, I only come across Citibank willing to pay high for a start for fresh grads with very excellent results.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>most investment banks are willing to pay 5k and above for fresh grads with good results...</p> <p>investment analysts can earn up to 8k for a fresh grad...</p> <p>auditors starting pay is around 2.5 now but jumps to 3-4k in around 2 years...</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:28:17 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081635 pigsticker http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by kramnave:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>There you go, 2-3 years experience, 5-6k.</p> <p><a href= "http://jobs.efinancialcareers.sg/job-4000000000400491.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://jobs.efinancialcareers.sg/job-4000000000400491.htm</a></p> </div> </blockquote> <p><br /> agree.&nbsp;&nbsp; so far, not sure about other people, I only come across Citibank willing to pay high for a start for fresh grads with very excellent results.&nbsp;&nbsp;</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:23:51 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081621 qlqq9 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <p>There you go, 2-3 years experience, 5-6k.</p> <p><a href= "http://jobs.efinancialcareers.sg/job-4000000000400491.htm" rel= "nofollow">http://jobs.efinancialcareers.sg/job-4000000000400491.htm</a></p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:20:06 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081611 kramnave http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <p>anyway if it interests you, i was talking to a young british guy the other day and he can't even find any work right now..</p> <p>his family is trying to sell their house to raise funds, but they can't even find a buyer ....</p> <p>their imposed restrictions on the owning of swords but the goons around the neighborhood are all heavily armed with knives, swords and guns...</p> <p>and another was beaten up for nothing, just cos those goons wanted to have some fun...</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:18:33 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081607 pigsticker http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by qlqq9:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p>someone here to look for trouble, a troll, alert people.</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>am i?? <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt="icon_mrgreen.gif" /></p> <p>maybe i was, maybe i wasn't.. but now i sure feel like it... <img src="/images/emoticons/classic/icon_mrgreen.gif" alt= "icon_mrgreen.gif" /></p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:10:30 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081587 pigsticker http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> Which statement did I comprain about them?</p> <p>I hope you can convince me.</p> <p>If you are capable.</p> <p>By the way, <a href="http://www.dictionary.com" rel= "nofollow">www.dictionary.com</a>&nbsp;can explain to you the&nbsp;meaning of 'a question' and that is, I quote,</p> <p>"to ask or inquire"</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>was i refering to you? anyway if u want stats, you can always go ask around, peers of my age are easily earning 4-5k after 2 years ofworking... i have peers who earn 5 figure a month... it's a matter of knowing where the money lies...</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:08:22 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081578 pigsticker http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <p>someone here to look for trouble, a troll, alert people.</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:06:57 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081575 qlqq9 http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322 <blockquote> <div class="quote_from">Originally posted by qlqq9:</div> <div class="quote_body"> <p><br /> wow, you come here look for trouble huh</p> </div> </blockquote> <p>is this a threat??</p> Mon, 12 May 2008 22:05:42 +0800 zh.sgforums.com:10:317322:8081573 pigsticker http://zh.sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/317322