Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by qpicanto @ Wed, 21 May 2008 10:02:15 +0800

qpicanto — Wed, 21 May 2008 10:02:15 +0800

whose Spore is it ? look at this job adv st 701 !

Company Information Company Name United Premas Limited Industry Property Job Description Job Duties:

Handle general office administrative and support work Data entry, typing, filing of correspondences and documents

Job Requirements: Minimum GCE 'O' Level or equivalent Proficient in Excel and Microsoft Office applications

Preferably those staying in JB

Must be willing to work in Chai Chee (East)

Malaysians are free to apply Location Singapore

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by Genie99a @ Fri, 16 May 2008 13:59:35 +0800

Genie99a — Fri, 16 May 2008 13:59:35 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

Why EUROPE , entire 'continent' able to prosper and continue to pay its IT staff who are european passport holders the highest IT salary in the world? now USA currency is like so cheap cannot compare with euro.

I think the answer is

because Europe Boleh!

Its not about cost. Its whether you are able to provide them the salary and no need resort to lowering costs.

Business is about SALEs. No sales, no matter how cheap your IT budget is, also you go fly kite and bankrupt. Its about your business capability. Some INC says able to pay its staff world record salaries because salary is not the issue. Its the Gross Domestic that is the issue.

If you can , you can.

If you cannot, you cannot.

Europe CAN!

Businesses which are weak and cannot afford even IT staff should not use the excuse or reason that if they don't use cheaper resources, their business will collapse. The real reason is these businesses are either weak fundamentally, not smart, not competent, not able to capture enough market share, generate sales, poor in marketing or too stingy to invest in supplychain software of the best quaility or simply, someone or several people are corruptioning from the inside out.

1st world cost of living.

1st world everything except freedom and salary will not work. This equation is fundamentally flawed.

A kindergarten gardener can comprehend this.

on a broader perspective i agree with your points good job

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by Alucard101 @ Fri, 16 May 2008 08:41:27 +0800

Alucard101 — Fri, 16 May 2008 08:41:27 +0800

Stupidity a bit far from perfection.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by redDUST @ Thu, 15 May 2008 13:51:17 +0800

redDUST — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:51:17 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

my office old clerk, her son studied in aus and never returned since graduate as he found a job there even before graduated and earning much more than here even after netting the high tax there. He got his 'zenship after 4-5 years there. He sold his picanto in the pore and bought a brand new BMW there for , i quote him, 'same price as picanto ah'. I oways green with envy whenever he says that since I drive a picanto and paid high price for it due to coe. He also owns a permanent home and land under it for cheap and near a golf course.

Did any of you ever pondered, why people after study overseas, never want to come back?

http://www.sbstransit.com.sg/generalinfo/used_buses.aspx

i came across this in this forum. not bmw but imposing nonetheless.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by redDUST @ Thu, 15 May 2008 13:31:19 +0800

redDUST — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:31:19 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

my office old clerk, her son studied in aus and never returned since graduate as he found a job there even before graduated and earning much more than here even after netting the high tax there. He got his 'zenship after 4-5 years there. He sold his picanto in the pore and bought a brand new BMW there for , i quote him, 'same price as picanto ah'. I oways green with envy whenever he says that since I drive a picanto and paid high price for it due to coe. He also owns a permanent home and land under it for cheap and near a golf course.

Did any of you ever pondered, why people after study overseas, never want to come back?

since you are so obsessed with the bmw, get a pre-owned one. i will attest to it that it is a better drive than a picanto (tho' i have never driven a kia b4). your image quotient will also go up a few notches. i can recommend which beemer will suit your profile and budget if you need help.

i can't help you with the bungalow and land near the gold courses since i also live in a highrise like most of us.

do you have the actual numbers of the total number of singaporean who studied overseas stayed on and those who return to back up your sweeping statement?

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by redDUST @ Thu, 15 May 2008 13:22:33 +0800

redDUST — Thu, 15 May 2008 13:22:33 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

But it must also be made known that when 2 jobs are created, 1 job was lost.

care to explain to this dumbwit(me), what is it that you are saying?

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by deathmaster @ Thu, 15 May 2008 10:42:39 +0800

deathmaster — Thu, 15 May 2008 10:42:39 +0800

it is not sustainable wad. how many people can you afford to send overseas?

sooner or later, you would not even have enough ppl to handle ur emigration procedures. better, all the procedure done by PRs.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by balance_else_complacent @ Wed, 14 May 2008 21:30:35 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Wed, 14 May 2008 21:30:35 +0800

my office old clerk, her son studied in aus and never returned since graduate as he found a job there even before graduated and earning much more than here even after netting the high tax there. He got his 'zenship after 4-5 years there. He sold his picanto in the pore and bought a brand new BMW there for , i quote him, 'same price as picanto ah'. I oways green with envy whenever he says that since I drive a picanto and paid high price for it due to coe. He also owns a permanent home and land under it for cheap and near a golf course.

Did any of you ever pondered, why people after study overseas, never want to come back?

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by Arapahoe @ Thu, 08 May 2008 01:42:36 +0800

Arapahoe — Thu, 08 May 2008 01:42:36 +0800

We can’t even group a smaller region in terms of business interest, and you wanna group demographic in Asia. Just because people move around it does not means that culturally they agreed to sleep together.

As for comparing it with Europe I think the historical context of colonial play a role. Like i say takes it course.

Look at the reality, it took a while to get aids into Mynamar and it is only a few hours flight time.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by eagle @ Wed, 07 May 2008 08:53:59 +0800

eagle — Wed, 07 May 2008 08:53:59 +0800

Originally posted by Arapahoe:

Singapore is in the continent of Asia. So is PRC. Within the European continent, the europeans work in the different european countries. So why the double standards now when Asians work in different Asian countries?

I don't think it is double standard. Considered different historical context as European would have a longer history of interaction including working towards a common market.

what did Asean actually do to work closer? It took Asean 40 yrs to sign a human right charter. I think u can't speed the process.

Not Asean. Asia.

People has been moving around for centuries. If not, there wouldn't be Singaporean Chinese, Malay or Indians.

Not to mention his facts were already wrong. The first day I stepped into Paris, I was surprised by the number of blacks there; they are all around.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by Arapahoe @ Wed, 07 May 2008 07:12:14 +0800

Arapahoe — Wed, 07 May 2008 07:12:14 +0800

Singapore is in the continent of Asia. So is PRC. Within the European continent, the europeans work in the different european countries. So why the double standards now when Asians work in different Asian countries?

I don't think it is double standard. Considered different historical context as European would have a longer history of interaction including working towards a common market.

what did Asean actually do to work closer? It took Asean 40 yrs to sign a human right charter. I think u can't speed the process.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by eagle @ Wed, 07 May 2008 01:41:04 +0800

eagle — Wed, 07 May 2008 01:41:04 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

Why EUROPE , entire 'continent' able to prosper and continue to pay its IT staff who are european passport holders the highest IT salary in the world? now USA currency is like so cheap cannot compare with euro.

I think the answer is

because Europe Boleh!

Its not about cost. Its whether you are able to provide them the salary and no need resort to lowering costs.

Business is about SALEs. No sales, no matter how cheap your IT budget is, also you go fly kite and bankrupt. Its about your business capability. Some INC says able to pay its staff world record salaries because salary is not the issue. Its the Gross Domestic that is the issue.

If you can , you can.

If you cannot, you cannot.

Europe CAN!

Businesses which are weak and cannot afford even IT staff should not use the excuse or reason that if they don't use cheaper resources, their business will collapse. The real reason is these businesses are either weak fundamentally, not smart, not competent, not able to capture enough market share, generate sales, poor in marketing or too stingy to invest in supplychain software of the best quaility or simply, someone or several people are corruptioning from the inside out.

1st world cost of living.

1st world everything except freedom and salary will not work. This equation is fundamentally flawed.

A kindergarten gardener can comprehend this.

1) Singapore is in the continent of Asia. So is PRC. Within the European continent, the europeans work in the different european countries. So why the double standards now when Asians work in different Asian countries?

2) Do you know Germany (in Europe) is short of engineers, and they are looking overseas for them?

3) Business is not only about sales. It is sales vs expenses. You can have $10 billion of sales, but if your total expenditure is $11billion, you still go bankrupt.

4) As you have said, you have to walk the talk. Start your own IT business and pay them the highest salary possible. Show us you are as competent as Mr Low Thia Khiang in hiring only locals.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by Melbournite @ Wed, 07 May 2008 01:29:23 +0800

Melbournite — Wed, 07 May 2008 01:29:23 +0800

I am amazed at how Linux and Ubuntu is so successful despite it not being not even a business?.

Did they hire cheap staff?..its worst than cheap afterall its free labour which resulted in its creation.

All it takes is doing what the other guy will not do.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by Melbournite @ Wed, 07 May 2008 01:26:40 +0800

Melbournite — Wed, 07 May 2008 01:26:40 +0800

Originally posted by balance_else_complacent:

Why EUROPE , entire 'continent' able to prosper and continue to pay its IT staff who are european passport holders the highest IT salary in the world? now USA currency is like so cheap cannot compare with euro.

I think the answer is

because Europe Boleh!

Its not about cost. Its whether you are able to provide them the salary and no need resort to lowering costs.

Business is about SALEs. No sales, no matter how cheap your IT budget is, also you go fly kite and bankrupt. Its about your business capability. Some INC says able to pay its staff world record salaries because salary is not the issue. Its the Gross Domestic that is the issue.

If you can , you can.

If you cannot, you cannot.

Europe CAN!

Businesses which are weak and cannot afford even IT staff should not use the excuse or reason that if they don't use cheaper resources, their business will collapse. The real reason is these businesses are either weak fundamentally, not smart, not competent, not able to capture enough market share, generate sales, poor in marketing or too stingy to invest in supplychain software of the best quaility or simply, someone or several people are corruptioning from the inside out.

1st world cost of living.

1st world everything except freedom and salary will not work. This equation is fundamentally flawed.

A kindergarten gardener can comrprehend this.

Bravo.Well said. Its the talent which will grow yr business and not cost competitveness.Cost competiveness is for inferiority complex ridden singapore.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by balance_else_complacent @ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:08:26 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 22:08:26 +0800

Why EUROPE , entire 'continent' able to prosper and continue to pay its IT staff who are european passport holders the highest IT salary in the world? now USA currency is like so cheap cannot compare with euro.

I think the answer is

because Europe Boleh!

Its not about cost. Its whether you are able to provide them the salary and no need resort to lowering costs.

Business is about SALEs. No sales, no matter how cheap your IT budget is, also you go fly kite and bankrupt. Its about your business capability. Some INC says able to pay its staff world record salaries because salary is not the issue. Its the Gross Domestic that is the issue.

If you can , you can.

If you cannot, you cannot.

Europe CAN!

Businesses which are weak and cannot afford even IT staff should not use the excuse or reason that if they don't use cheaper resources, their business will collapse. The real reason is these businesses are either weak fundamentally, not smart, not competent, not able to capture enough market share, generate sales, poor in marketing or too stingy to invest in supplychain software of the best quaility or simply, someone or several people are corruptioning from the inside out.

1st world cost of living.

1st world everything except freedom and salary will not work. This equation is fundamentally flawed.

A kindergarten gardener can comprehend this.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by reyes @ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:41:54 +0800

reyes — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:41:54 +0800

shit idealogy!!

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by TooFree @ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:49:03 +0800

TooFree — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 10:49:03 +0800

I think it will create more opportunities rather than more jobs, not unless its a labour-intensive workplace where the expariate's salary can possibly be splits to hire two more man to the exisiting pool.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by HyperFocal @ Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:32:57 +0800

HyperFocal — Wed, 30 Apr 2008 06:32:57 +0800

... what is this? Reverse Psychology or outright Lame Ideaology?

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by balance_else_complacent @ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:42:44 +0800

balance_else_complacent — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:42:44 +0800

can be true in this sense:

1 citizen cost $5K to hire withdraw all his money and went to live in NZ.

This gives companies the reason to hire 2 x 2.5K thus, on paper, purely on paper alone, it can then be said that 2 jobs are created. To whom, that is another totally mutually exclusive question all together wherein unworldly people may never comprehend.

But it must also be made known that when 2 jobs are created, 1 job was lost.

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by FireIce @ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:35:42 +0800

FireIce — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:35:42 +0800

they is who?

Outflow of talent will help create more jobs replied by Melbournite @ Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:26:29 +0800

Melbournite — Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:26:29 +0800

I believe they will create more jobs..agreed?

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