Originally posted by Shotgun:

Hamas wasn't voted into power....

Well they did.

By John Ward Anderson

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Originally posted by kira.sg:

If a person throws eggs into my house, I will throw stones into his house. My stones may hit his children or his guests. But I will not stop the throwing until he agrees not to throw eggs into my house.

 

This is the point.

totally man,,,, comforting to know there are people who understand the situation

Originally posted by Shotgun:

The operation Israel has begun, cannot be stopped until Hamas surrenders unconditionally, turning in all personnel to Israel for detention and investigation by an international tribunal.

Israel cannot respond to a truce unless Hamas is willing to turn itself in.  Naturally, they won't give a flying rat's ass to the plight of the innoncent Palestinians caught in the collaterals, and we see the true face of Hamas. 

Or, until the Palestinian people, are willing to start weeding out the Hamas influence among themselves and turn them in, Israel has little moral obligation to respond to a truce or ceasefire. 

i think the israeli are basically taking out the radical elements within the Hamas and the foreign volunteers, eradicate the missile and tunnels. Hamas is basically well establish with the people so i don;t think u can officially Weed out Hamas.

Dore Gold, a senior adviser to Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon who has written extensively on Islamic terrorism, said Hamas, aided by Saudi Arabia and Iran, had spent much of the last decade "creating a vast civilian infrastructure with schools, clinics, day care centers and a vast network of propaganda, and what you are seeing now is the fruits of that long effort."

i am not so sure i fully agreed with that view. I think Pakistan post a serious threat to Greater Asia. Pakistan is becoming a fail state with 50 Nuke on hand. It is precisely ignorance about the impact of using nuke and in the mids of fragile statehood their perceived external threat towards India may extend the threat post to the greater Asia.

On recent report we learned that the tribes that reside the border along Afgan from Himalaya to south of India are basically against the weak central government. The AL Queda in Pakistan are conducting killing tribes leaders who are pro-govt. If the military pull out of the border there is basically no civil govt control.  The ISI are probably running the agenda n controlling much of the military side of the govt.

I am not sure Other than this 3 cities Karachi, Islamaba n Lahore.is there a govt outside these cities?

speaking from SG perspective i am not sure the Pakistan are thrill by the fact that we are conducting military training with the Indians.    

1) Kill competition – create many MP seats so that oppositions cannot make up the number.

2) No free speech – to block negative remarks.

3) Control the Workers’ Union – assign a minister as chairman of the Union.

4) Illegal gathering law – so that people cannot group together in public.

5) Protest approval law – If people gather and protest without approval, they will be charged under the illegal gathering law.

6) “Yes” people – Must get 66.6% of the citizens to say “Yes”. This is most difficult part and also the reason why other countries cannot succeed.

Originally posted by gackt13:

All these only began because of the Arabs’ greed of wanting the whole of Middle East to their Islamic people.

All Israel wanted was a place they can call home. How much lands have they acceded to those greedy corrupted Islamic people without putting so much of a fight. And those Arab just kept wanting more and more. Probably until Israel is no more?

When Israel refused to give up anymore of their land the Arabs started to use violence to get what they want. Go take a closer look at the map. Look at how small Israel is in the Middle East.

How can you call them terrorists for protecting their own interests and welfare?

Are you retarded or uneducated? The palestinians have all the right in the world to give israel hell. Israel literally stole their country with US support, kicked them all out, and made them suffer for 60 years. 

If the Malaysian army backed by the UN came to Singapore and say they're "looking for a homeland", beat us up, kick us all out to cram in some offshore island, and left us to starve and suffer for 60 years, I'm god damn sure any missiles i get will go flying straight at them.

So if i want my singapore back from these invaders, am i "greedy, corrupted and wanting more and more" ?

You obviously dont even know your history

Originally posted by kira.sg:

He is old enough to get hang.

 

Man makes the law to protect the majority.

 

The law must be protected at all times.

And who watches the watcher?

Now, I'm not against the Misuse of Drugs Act.  I feel there is something wrong with the "presumptions" and the mandatory death penalty.

Originally posted by Gedanken:

Forget philosophy, Shotgun.  Let's talk reality here.

I'm not sure how many lawyers you know, but if you knew a few you could well realise that they're not the brightest creatures at the best of times.  As such, courts tend to operate by a "bullshit baffles brains" policy.  As H L Mencken once said, "A court of law is a place in which Jesus Christ and Judas Iscariot would be treated as equals - with betting odds slightly in favour of Judas".

That being the case, I'd recommend saving a lot of heartbreak by not trying to find and justify any association whatsoever between law and justice.  To be blunt, they're simply not smart enough to be capable of handling justice.  What they're reduced to is a wiggling about in a straightjacket comprising of a rigid set of rules dressed up in the pomp of the legal profession.

In this case, it comes down to answering a simple question: "Was this fellow found with a sufficient quantity of drugs for the death sentence to be passed?", and the answer is yes.  Beyond that, asking a judge or a lawyer to contemplate anything to do with the case is as good as asking a housefly to perform algebra.

Okay, in reality, does "possessing" the limit of items automatically constitute trafficking?  

Even if a retard was carrying those drugs, the retard would have to hang according to these laws.  That is if we are going by the book; the presumptions laid out in section 17.

Presumption concerning trafficking
17. Any person who is proved to have had in his possession more than —

(a) 100 grammes of opium;

(b) ... etc

whether or not contained in any substance, extract, preparation or mixture, shall be presumed to have had that drug in possession for the purpose of trafficking unless it is proved that his possession of that drug was not for that purpose

http://statutes.agc.gov.sg

Originally posted by Fantagf:

eh, u are so very mean, I am just standing firm not to let you be so mean to me.   We are all here to voice out the truth and facts about PAP, nothing fierce or whatsoever.   If their good points are so overwhelming - more than the bad ones then hardly will there be people bother to talk about them.    We feed them, they owe us a living, we don't owe them a living.  Right or not?  I fierce or not when I say this?  

ok lah sorry , pai sei . zan'nenna , Entschuldigung, DeSOLe, Apenado, Yukamsuroun, Sia Jai, TiEC, Menyesal， 对不起

so many sorry at least u should understand at least 1 of them ^^

never mind about the past lah

we hate PAP and we shall be UNITED to overthrow them~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hamas wasn't voted into power....

And for your info… please go read all my posts. I have NEVER said the Palestinians are terrorists. I am only condemning the Hamas on their terrorist and cowardly acts.

But I do not agree that Israel are in the wrong, because if the same thing happens to me, I would also retaliate without remorse.

SO many people ask why block off the borders into Israel from the Palestinians. Well, ask why Egypt is doing the same thing too? Would you let a potential terrorist threat (people who keeps deny your existence and swearing to eliminate you) have free access into you country? Ever heard of suicide bombers?

And why block off food and other neccessities into Gaza since 2007? Well would you have allowed the citizens of your potential threat food and neccessities, knowing full well most would probably have been turned over to the Hamas?

THINK!

Gedanken, funny how your posts all seem to condemn Israel. The Jews. The way you say everything is like everything the Israelis have done is based on terrorism.

A lot of things happens without us ever knowing the real reason behind it. Especially in politics.

Stop your crap because you are starting to sound like a fanatical Muslim.

Originally posted by www.optics.sg:

race, religion, human...

 im a ccb

" Edited by FireIce 05 Jan `09, 11:05PM"

Originally posted by Whitedragon168:

wonder will they propose cutting of CPF or AWC be discussed in Jan budget? haiz...

Don't think they will cut CPF considering they have been trying to get more people to put more money into CPF.

wonder will they propose cutting of CPF or AWC be discussed in Jan budget? haiz...

Who are the ones who voted Hamas into power? 

If a person throws eggs into my house, I will throw stones into his house. My stones may hit his children or his guests. But I will not stop the throwing until he agrees not to throw eggs into my house.

This is the point.

seems like big bully...but US kenna cover by their $$$. dun think they can see thru the $$$ :)

Originally posted by storywolf:

Hamas did not have the well-fare of their people, as they are a armed group of terrorist – if any peace they are out of job and lost power !!!

They just want to start trouble at even at the expense of their own people life !!!

Yes they go shooting mortars and rockets into isreal and hit into the middle of their own people – using them as live human shields !!!

This are a armed crazy army, not pitiful people !!! If their own people support it , then when people go after them and kick their asses, then too bad for them , they ask for it. If you want to shoot mortars and rockets at others, if people come after you with everything, you get kill of destory, that is your own asking for it !!!

totally man....... damn ragheads.....

Originally posted by Don©:

I don't see the same level of "humanitarian outrage" response for the ongoing wars and enthnic cleansing in africa even though it has been going on for decades, killing and displacing millions. 

The reason why everybody gives a shlt over tiny gaza strip, cos its upsetting the arabs and the arabs have oil. The last thing you want when there is an economic crisis going is skyrocketing fuel prices. In fact its happening already!

And what has poor african nations got to offer? Their own governments probably spent more troops protecting their gold mines and foreign assets than their own people. 

If it hurts so much for any of you, go do something about it. Anything else is just bull

As for the retard who suggested boycotting US and Israeli products, you can start dismantling your computer just about now. 

Don maybe u can ask US why they like to support Isreal and not African ?

Hamas did not have the well-fare of their people, as they are a armed group of terrorist – if any peace they are out of job and lost power !!!

They just want to start trouble at even at the expense of their own people life !!!

Yes they go shooting mortars and rockets into isreal and hit into the middle of their own people – using them as live human shields !!!

This are a armed crazy army, not pitiful people !!! If their own people support it , then when people go after them and kick their asses, then too bad for them , they ask for it. If you want to shoot mortars and rockets at others, if people come after you with everything, you get kill of destory, that is your own asking for it !!!

He is old enough to get hang.

Man makes the law to protect the majority.

The law must be protected at all times.

The theory of cycle has been around for ages. What I think is that the cycles will become shorter . Probably from 10 years cycle to 8 years cycle or even shorter. It may also be a series of small cycles before a big 1.

Why do I think so ? From a big picture point of view , I think that now that world are more interconnected with each other. This visibility allows the people to jump onboard any new innovations / business practise without considering its real worth. Its much like when information flows , the good part is exagerated a few times when its passed from 1 party to another.  Eg , Company A have a certain success because it has come out a technology that suits a certain demand . Company B replicates the idea and achieve success too . Companies C , D , E , F pops out . Then a lot more pops out. A lot investors jumps into the bandwagon and over rated the actual worth of the services.

The problem comes in when the "preceived worth" of innovations / business practice becomes much bigger than the real output that a dip finally come in to open the blinds to wake the people up.

Why do I think so again ? I think that there a lots of "successes" in the making throughout the world that these different "successes" explodes in their own time frame. So actually its a graph with multiple waves instead of only 1 sin wave. Any of the wave can cause a dip. If their dips coincide , then we have a bigger recession.

It's time to buy cheap and good stuffs. Cheers!

Cheers! Kick their ass!

Drop a T-Virus on their ground.